2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

m4a1mustang · 05-12-2013, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

In what sense?

2013 Cayman is a big step up. Practically a brand new car for 2013 while the Z has stayed mostly the same. The Cayman entered a new performance envelope so you can't really compare them like in years past.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-12-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

2013 Cayman is a big step up. Practically a brand new car for 2013 while the Z has stayed mostly the same. The Cayman entered a new performance envelope so you can't really compare them like in years past.

And this is most likely why Nissan is taking an extra year to develop the Z35. To make a proper yet, attainable Cayman fighter...

I hope?

370zrider · 05-12-2013, 11:00 AM

wonder what ideas Nissan has in mind for the z35. I don't expect a big improvement.

They can't handle cooling issues while staying on a budget, therefore turbocharging is far from being the solution. Maybe the only way they can improve the z is with a serious weight reduction

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UNKNOWN_370 · 05-12-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zrider

wonder what ideas Nissan has in mind for the z35. I don't expect a big improvement.

They can't handle cooling issues while staying on a budget, therefore turbocharging is far from being the solution. Maybe the only way they can improve the z is with a serious weight reduction

.

It was stated well over a year ago the next gen Z will be much lighter and leaner. So expect in the 300lb reduction arena. The 2012+ Z's received a moderate cooling improvement. I expect to see cooling improvements in the next gen.
Also, if the Z gets a smaller displacement and a larger bay? Cooling will come much easier to attain. Also, if they go turbo? I'm sure there will be engineering for better cooling. The GT-R doesn't have a cooling problem so i wouldn't expect to see the next gen Z with one. I don't forsee Nissan going ror more criticism on the Z. Mr. K complained and i think Nissan listened to him.

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Why don't we compare 2013 Cayman to 2013 370z

Remember: Porsche got a complete redesign in 2013. We got DRL's woohoo!!!! Expect to see a competitive car in 2015. It's not realistic to compare last gen tech to new gen objectively.

370zrider · 05-12-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

2013 Cayman is a big step up. Practically a brand new car for 2013 while the Z has stayed mostly the same. The Cayman entered a new performance envelope so you can't really compare them like in years past.

If the 370z couldn't keep up with the 2008 cayman, I think there is an even wider gap between a 370z and a 2013 cayman

370Zsteve · 05-15-2013, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

2013 Cayman is a big step up. Practically a brand new car for 2013 while the Z has stayed mostly the same. The Cayman entered a new performance envelope so you can't really compare them like in years past.

Is the price a big step up? Because the performance vs the z has always been about the price difference, and the Z has always come out on top in bang-for-the-buck. By the time you finish optioning a Cayman S, the damned thing is probably $80 grand or something.

At that point, all I would think about would be 'Stingray'

red6spd · 05-15-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Is the price a big step up? Because the performance vs the z has always been about the price difference, and the Z has always come out on top in bang-for-the-buck. By the time you finish optioning a Cayman S, the damned thing is probably $80 grand or something.

At that point, all I would think about would be 'Stingray'

I cant speak for cornering G's slaloms braking cause I don't really feel like looking them up (maybe Red_Zed can) but straight line performance is about the same with the new Cayman S maybe being a tad faster. But like you said the car starts at $72,900 and just gets more expensive.

370Zsteve · 05-15-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

I cant speak for cornering G's slaloms braking cause I don't really feel like looking them up (maybe Red_Zed can) but straight line performance is about the same with the new Cayman S maybe being a tad faster. But like you said the car starts at $72,900 and just gets more expensive.

It STARTS at 72,900 now? Haha, when you option it, expect to pay about $90K then.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

It STARTS at 72,900 now? Haha, when you option it, expect to pay about $90K then.

Looks like it starts just under $64K.

red6spd · 05-15-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

It STARTS at 72,900 now? Haha, when you option it, expect to pay about $90K then.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My bad that was Canada Porsche. It starts at $63,800 for the s

sorry

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