2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

Red__Zed

Meaning it felt slower than a 350hp car should.

m4a1mustang

You fgts should be arguing about this at ZDayZ with me.

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Next year I'm coming down 2 weeks in advance lol. I miss that place so much.

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m4a1mustang

It's so nice being here early. Got in on Sunday evening. Monday was really quiet. Today is still quiet but there are a few more Z folks here. They should really start rolling in Wednesday and Thursday.

Did the Cherohala Skyway loop today. That was a lot of fun.

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Someone trying to backup their comments with facts and logic? We can't have that nonsense in here!

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UNKNOWN_370

I'm just going to say this. How I feel about the Z as a performance vehicle.

Do I love the overall package? Yes.
Is it flawed for my expectations? Both yes and no.

As an individual car, I believe the Z needs to be more. Where I disagree with most is when the comparisons from other cars come in. The only legit comparisons really are the Cayman S and Corvette. Not because of price... But because of expectations. Not that i expect the Z to be as good as the others. But meet 8 to 9/10yths of both cars expectations...

Does the Z do that? Yes. So why does it need to be improved?

Well, the car could have been better balanced and weighed less. The VQ37 should have been downsized this gen, but people didnt realize they wanted that till the FRS hype. So i don't fault Nissan in that either... They ga e customers exactly what they wanted out of the 350z. And when the people got it, they shytted all over it.

Biggest mistakes:
No first yr oil cooler
No second year brake cooling for both Nismo and sport
No upgraded radio on all base models.

3 stupid things nissan neglected imho.

But as an individual machine. The car is still fun. I expect and hope improvements will make it handle more porsche like and turbo (hopefully) will give it some of that vette style torque (of course not as strong but if its stronger than the strong ATS torque in feel. I'll take it)

I love my z and hope to FI it after me and the wife get in a house. And by the third model year. I may buy the Z35, C6 camaro or Even a C7 vette? We'll see? Till then. My skill and the Z seem to go hand in hand.

I'm not needing a quieter cabin. And I'm not too shabby in the twisties and corners. I surprise my friends with more powerful cars than mine, how i could hang, sooo. I'm personally happy.

Still can't wait to see improvements happen.

Did nissan piss me off with not addressing issues appropiately. Yes to the point of borderline fury.
Did that experience make me hate my car or want to trade it. No, the Z is still far above average in performance.

I dont compare it to 420hp cars either so im even happier. Maybe i'll add one of those 420hp cars to sit next to my Z if i dont like the Z35.

Life goes on, and im still loving my Z.

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JungleZ

in summary, the Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Costs less,is faster and handles almost as good as an M3 on a track. Take Notes Nissan

UNKNOWN_370

That's like saying the Z handles almost as good as a Porsche. You wipes needa stop contradicting yourselves...

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Red__Zed

Not even.

UNKNOWN_370

Yeah even, The M3 and stang get close in times around the track as did the porsche cayman s and 370z when R&T raced them. Remember, the porsche and Z alone on a track had a tighter race than them lumped up with other cars in the lightning lap.

Same thing happened with the stang and M3 when they raced alone. But getting close lap times doesn't make 2 cars close to each other. It's still the sword vs the hatchet comparo.

But there will be always that "fanboyish" exception to the rule that can ONLY be found on the self loathing Z forum.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...rsche-cayman-s

"So did the Cayman S win this battle? According to our ratings and test numbers, it sent the 370Z back home. But is the Cayman S worth nearly twice the price of a 370Z? Based purely on performance, no. The lap times are pretty close and the handling and acceleration numbers relatively comparable. If you had to pinch pennies to afford one of these cars, the Z makes by far more sense. But if you're well-off, and put an intangible value on overall refinement, powerplant/chassis harmony and an illustrious motorsports legacy, well, the choice is easy"

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

A Mustang is a Mustang. Always has been, always will be, no matter how close it comes to knocking off one of the world's finest sports cars. Even if it had fully scalped the Bavarian, that wouldn't change the fundamental ethos of a legend 46 years in the making: fast, fun, and within reach of everyman. It's not America's M3. It's America's Mustang.

At the end of the day,mustang and Z are both going after more expensive cars that they can perform close to but cant be compared to in the experience of driving them.

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Red__Zed

If you've ever driven the cars in question, it's quite obvious that the Mustang and 370Z are much closer than the 370Z and the Cayman S--which should come as no surprise to anyone who understands physics.

The Mustang and the Z share handling dynamics far more closely than most here would like to admit. If anything, the Z brings with it more of the slow-me-down push than the Mustang does.

There's a lot of give-and-take between the Mustang & Z in terms of handling (SRA issus vs toe-steer, weight vs balance) that makes the evaluation somewhat subjective. If you prefer a car that rotates easily, the Mustang will likely be your preference, as long as you don't mind a little extra weight. On the other hand, if you'd like something smaller and lower-slung, the Z is a no-brainer, as long as you don't mind pushing a bit more in the turns (or running 305s up front).

As compared to the Cayman S, there's really no give and take--the only thing the Z has on the Cayman is straight-line power(and cost!). The brilliant and precise chassis in the Z pales in comparison to that of the Cayman. The engine placement and balance puts the Z (and frankly, most other cars) to shame.

The gap between the Z and S is far bigger than the Z and Stang...as you might expect given the price. The M3, 370Z, and Mustang all share a pretty similar handling mentality (lot of power and a lot of weight on the front axle).

m4a1mustang

I drove Shado's Z06 today. Big mistake. Someone give me $50k.

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Red__Zed

what did you expect to happen.

m4a1mustang

Handie.

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