Mitsubishi motors a dying brand in US?

theDreamer · 12-27-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

mazda won't be far behind...

Doubt it, Ford still invests in Mazda (a bit less now) and they will be first to market in the US of the Japanese companies with a diesel motor.

shadoquad · 12-27-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Doubt it, Ford still invests in Mazda (a bit less now) and they will be first to market in the US of the Japanese companies with a diesel motor.

The 3 is actually a nice little car, too. It actually gets its claimed 40mpg and is fun to drive for a putt putt

The Miata is the best selling sports car, maybe ever, and a new one is on its way soon.

They've attacked the crossover market and are doing fairly well there. And the new 6 is getting positive reviews.

I don't see Mazda in much danger.

Mitsu has been dying for the last decade or so. They just make crap motors.

Compdoc777 · 12-28-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

Mitsu failure to keep up with times and innovate instead of playing keep up

Mitsubishi has deep pockets. They are talking about the North American brand, but Mitsubishi makes everything from TVs, electronics to fighter jets, ships, building equipment. The motor division is just one of the smaller things they do. I am sure they will shake it up here in the future they tend to go in cycles.

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Originally Posted by luigi90210

i honestly feel honda will die soon, sure their cars are popular(kind of) but they havent changed since the 90's, they are still loud, they sound like **** even stock, there is a lot of road noise and their cars are very basic in terms of features
their biggest competitor toyota at least changed their sedans to being quite, nicer looking then their 90's counter part, and they come loaded with features plus with their hybrid marketing campaign, everyone and their grandma has wanted a hybrid car, even though a 2.5 altima cvt will get better gas milage then a camry hybrid

Honda will be around forever and may win the auto war. Honda is a racing company that happens to build cars they have there hands in just about everything like Mitsubishi. Acura is also Honda, out side the US there is no such thing as Acura.

cossie1600 · 12-28-2012, 08:09 AM

My lexus hybrid gets 28mpg city, and it is a 5000lbs beast. My Prius can do 45 to 55 mpg, no Altima isn't touching that. The highway mileage difference is smaller, but the hybrids help so much in the city that you aren't making up for it. Hyundai has to pay up for lying about the numbers, Toyota doesn't.

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Originally Posted by luigi90210

i dont know about you, but my 3.5 altima 5AT averages 25mpg mostly city, and my friend with the 2.5 altima averages 38mpg, i stopped paper comparing mpg cause most of those tests are rigged to get the best scores(just look at the hyundai mess), like i can go almost 400 miles to a tank on my Z(depends on how hard i step on it but i usually get anywhere between 20-22 mpg)
heck even on my old gst eclipse i could get 27mpg if i stayed out of boost and that was rated for 15/18 iirc

sure, it looks nice buying a car that has a piece of paper that says 50mpg, but in all reality it comes down to real world data
its kind of like paper racing, you can buy a hyundai genesis 3.8 r-spec and have a car with 348hp 290tq and have one of the worst performing cars out there, or you can buy a Z, G, E46M3, ect. and get a better performing car with less HP on paper

I believe they own over 30%, but big enough to be controlling interesting. In the US, Mazda basically gets left over ford parts. (Cx9 and 3). The newer stuff are mainly in house that Mazda developed and what they use exclusively. Matter of fact, Mazda signed an agreement to source toyotas HSD rather than fords Eco drive

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

True, but a 3% stake in a company is still huge, not quite the almost 20% in the 90s but the last CEO was big on removing debt. They still share tech & development across the board which gives Mazda a nice advantage over other Japanese companies trying to pursue new tech that others have already developed and R&D costs.

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Originally Posted by Compdoc777

Mitsubishi has deep pockets. They are talking about the North American brand, but Mitsubishi makes everything from TVs, electronics to fighter jets, ships, building equipment. The motor division is just one of the smaller things they do. I am sure they will shake it up here in the future they tend to go in cycles.

Honda will be around forever and may win the auto war. Honda is a racing company that happens to build cars they have there hands in just about everything like Mitsubishi. Acura is also Honda, out side the US there is no such thing as Acura.

theDreamer · 12-28-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

My lexus hybrid gets 28mpg city, and it is a 5000lbs beast. My Prius can do 45 to 55 mpg, no Altima isn't touching that. The highway mileage difference is smaller, but the hybrids help so much in the city that you aren't making up for it. Hyundai has to pay up for lying about the numbers, Toyota doesn't.

I believe they own over 30%, but big enough to be controlling interesting. In the US, Mazda basically gets left over ford parts. (Cx9 and 3). The newer stuff are mainly in house that Mazda developed and what they use exclusively. Matter of fact, Mazda signed an agreement to source toyotas HSD rather than fords Eco drive

The 30% ownership was in the 90s, they sold about 22% in the early 2000s because Ford CEO saw the crash coming and wanted debt off the books and then went down to 3% in 2008. Maintaining a strategic partnership and helping with R&D costs. Mazda is estimated to save on average 9 million a year with the tech they borrow from Ford so while they do use license other tech Ford is their go to still.

luigi90210 · 12-28-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

My lexus hybrid gets 28mpg city, and it is a 5000lbs beast. My Prius can do 45 to 55 mpg, no Altima isn't touching that. The highway mileage difference is smaller, but the hybrids help so much in the city that you aren't making up for it. Hyundai has to pay up for lying about the numbers, Toyota doesn't.

I believe they own over 30%, but big enough to be controlling interesting. In the US, Mazda basically gets left over ford parts. (Cx9 and 3). The newer stuff are mainly in house that Mazda developed and what they use exclusively. Matter of fact, Mazda signed an agreement to source toyotas HSD rather than fords Eco drive

where do you live though? here in socal, prius owners average 35-38mpg, same with camry hybrid owners(asked a few owners myself and i remember reading a news article about it a few years back) because of all the hills san diego has

dont get me wrong, those hybrids are amazing for city driving but depending on where you live and work here, you can be doing more highway driving then city driving(which is why i go off average mpg instead of paper or just city/highway drivers)

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

CRZ... what a waste. That would have been a cool car if they put a K series in it but it's the sport-hybrid nonsense.

Civic Si... I liked them up until the latest refresh.

agreed, the CRZ was a failure to be what honda wanted it to be, it doesnt compare to the CRX at all
the civic si however, i feel those are always going to be the riceboys first choice when buying cars, heck honda saved them some $$$ by slapping vtec stickers all over the thing, if the SI was clean like the regular civic, i wouldnt hate it as much(i just hate the civic in general) but honda just had to slap iVTEC stickers on it

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by luigi90210

where do you live though? here in socal, prius owners average 35-38mpg, same with camry hybrid owners(asked a few owners myself and i remember reading a news article about it a few years back) because of all the hills san diego has

dont get me wrong, those hybrids are amazing for city driving but depending on where you live and work here, you can be doing more highway driving then city driving(which is why i go off average mpg instead of paper or just city/highway drivers)

agreed, the CRZ was a failure to be what honda wanted it to be, it doesnt compare to the CRX at all
the civic si however, i feel those are always going to be the riceboys first choice when buying cars, heck honda saved them some $$$ by slapping vtec stickers all over the thing, if the SI was clean like the regular civic, i wouldnt hate it as much(i just hate the civic in general) but honda just had to slap iVTEC stickers on it

I like the Civic for what it is. I had an '06 sedan as a practical car. I wouldn't mind having an si sedan in that body style... but only without all the boy racer graphics and body treatments.

DEpointfive0 · 12-28-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by luigi90210

where do you live though? here in socal, prius owners average 35-38mpg, same with camry hybrid owners(asked a few owners myself and i remember reading a news article about it a few years back) because of all the hills san diego has

dont get me wrong, those hybrids are amazing for city driving but depending on where you live and work here, you can be doing more highway driving then city driving(which is why i go off average mpg instead of paper or just city/highway drivers)

Your friends with the Priuses should get them checked out... My best friend who has a prius BEATS that car and drives faster than I do around town and he averages 40-45MPG, when he slows down to take his mom to and from the hospital usually he gets right around 50... That SOB...

On the freeway he gets about 42-45

(Just asked for his numbers, and he has a 2007 with 132k miles)

atl370z · 12-28-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

The 3 is actually a nice little car, too. It actually gets its claimed 40mpg and is fun to drive for a putt putt

The Miata is the best selling sports car, maybe ever, and a new one is on its way soon.

They've attacked the crossover market and are doing fairly well there. And the new 6 is getting positive reviews.

I don't see Mazda in much danger.

Mitsu has been dying for the last decade or so. They just make crap motors.

I have owned a Mazda speed 3 and currently own a Mazda 9 SUV. both are great car for the money

cossie1600 · 12-27-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Doubt it, Ford still invests in Mazda (a bit less now) and they will be first to market in the US of the Japanese companies with a diesel motor.

Ford sold most of their shares a few years back...

theDreamer · 12-28-2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Ford sold most of their shares a few years back...

True, but a 3% stake in a company is still huge, not quite the almost 20% in the 90s but the last CEO was big on removing debt. They still share tech & development across the board which gives Mazda a nice advantage over other Japanese companies trying to pursue new tech that others have already developed and R&D costs.

Lug · 12-28-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

T They still share tech & development across the board which gives Mazda a nice advantage over other Japanese companies trying to pursue new tech that others have already developed and R&D costs.

....looks at Speed3, looks at Focus ST...keeps mouth shut

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