2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm...

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Why? Just curious, but why do you say that? A bit more luxury?

I mean, people cross shop Z's and Vettes, and they cross shop Vettes and 911's.

The 911 and Cayman both probably bury a Z on any race track, but they are all three sports cars.

Mainly because of price.

The Z cross-shops with cars like the Corvette/Mustang mainly because of price. Sure there are some people that are not price sensitive and will just buy whatever they want, but most people looking at a car in the sub $50k space are going to be looking at a pretty wide variety just because there are so many choices.

I tend to think that the typical NEW 911 buyer is not going to cross shop with a Z. A nicely optioned 911 Carerra is going to easily run you $100k+. I seriously doubt many people looking at that kind of price are going to look at a Z or anything else in the Z's price range.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Mainly because of price.

The Z cross-shops with cars like the Corvette/Mustang mainly because of price. Sure there are some people that are not price sensitive and will just buy whatever they want, but most people looking at a car in the sub $50k space are going to be looking at a pretty wide variety just because there are so many choices.

I tend to think that the typical NEW 911 buyer is not going to cross shop with a Z. A nicely optioned 911 Carerra is going to easily run you $100k+. I seriously doubt many people looking at that kind of price are going to look at a Z or anything else in the Z's price range.

I completely agree with you. I don't think they would look twice at the Z (oddly enough more people will look at my Z when parked next to a 911 though lol)

But that's just my argument. Surely there are better (more interesting at least) options in the 100K price range!

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

I completely agree with you. I don't think they would look twice at the Z (oddly enough more people will look at my Z when parked next to a 911 though lol)

But that's just my argument. Surely there are better (more interesting at least) options in the 100K price range!

If you primarily value performance for the dollar, then definitely. But I think most people that buy a 911 are not too concerned with the "per the dollar" part, they just want a 911.

I know I want one and have been mulling it over "because it's a 911." They are nice cars with a great history. Outright performance isn't really their forte, but they do just about everything and they do it very well, IMO. They really excel at the "being a 911" part of being a 911, too.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

If you primarily value performance for the dollar, then definitely. But I think most people that buy a 911 are not too concerned with the "per the dollar" part, they just want a 911.

I know I want one and have been mulling it over "because it's a 911." They are nice cars with a great history. Outright performance isn't really their forte, but they do just about everything and they do it very well, IMO. They really excel at the "being a 911" part of being a 911, too.

Agreed again. Don't get me wrong... I'm not trying to bash Porsche. In fact my favorite car in the world is the new GT2 RS. It eeks out the AM DBS in my book and I would take it over any car in the world (except maybe an F40)

I guess because money's tight in my camp at this point I tend to look at value in a different light these days. I mean I can't even afford my poor Z at this point.

shadoquad · 10-13-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Mainly because of price.

The Z cross-shops with cars like the Corvette/Mustang mainly because of price. Sure there are some people that are not price sensitive and will just buy whatever they want, but most people looking at a car in the sub $50k space are going to be looking at a pretty wide variety just because there are so many choices.

I tend to think that the typical NEW 911 buyer is not going to cross shop with a Z. A nicely optioned 911 Carerra is going to easily run you $100k+. I seriously doubt many people looking at that kind of price are going to look at a Z or anything else in the Z's price range.

Red__Zed was shopping for GTR's and ended up buying a Z and a WRX. Just because you can afford a Porsche doesn't mean you will necessarily want to throw that kind of money into it.

I thought you were saying it was in a different class performance-wise.

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Red__Zed was shopping for GTR's and ended up buying a Z and a WRX. Just because you can afford a Porsche doesn't mean you will necessarily want to throw that kind of money into it.

I thought you were saying it was in a different class performance-wise.

Nah, I'm completely ignoring performance. It's totally a price thing.

If I had $100k to spend on one car, and I really wanted a 911, god damnit I'm buying a 911!!!

But if I had up to $100k to spend on a car and was brand indifferent, and for whatever reason the Z tickled my fancy, I'd buy the Z and pocket the rest. But typically a buyer in that range is going to ignore our humble little price bracket completely. Bastards.

shadoquad · 10-13-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Nah, I'm completely ignoring performance. It's totally a price thing.

If I had $100k to spend on one car, and I really wanted a 911, god damnit I'm buying a 911!!!

But if I had up to $100k to spend on a car and was brand indifferent, and for whatever reason the Z tickled my fancy, I'd buy the Z and pocket the rest. But typically a buyer in that range is going to ignore our humble little price bracket completely. Bastards.

Fair enough

It all depends on the buyer's needs. I mean, there are millionaires who drive beaters around town.

But you're right. If I want whatever car bad enough, I'm going to get it.

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Fair enough

It all depends on the buyer's needs. I mean, there are millionaires who drive beaters around town.

But you're right. If I want whatever car bad enough, I'm going to get it.

Yep. I have a $20m client that drives a Civic every day, and it's not even the top model.

It's really funny how trivial all of this car stuff is when we really take a step back and think about it. Ah well, it makes us happy!

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:33 PM

Cars are pretty trivial at the end of the day. My wife was really literally on the verge of tears when I told her I was selling my Z because I'm out of work right now... I told her it's just a car. Metal and plastic and when things turn around and the time is right, I'll get another "baby".

Masa · 10-13-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

Cars are pretty trivial at the end of the day. My wife was really literally on the verge of tears when I told her I was selling my Z because I'm out of work right now... I told her it's just a car. Metal and plastic and when things turn around and the time is right, I'll get another "baby".

Sorry to hear about the financial troubles. I'm sure it will turn around in no time - then you can hop into a new Z with a built in oil cooler!

mjg · 10-13-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

Cars are pretty trivial at the end of the day. My wife was really literally on the verge of tears when I told her I was selling my Z because I'm out of work right now... I told her it's just a car. Metal and plastic and when things turn around and the time is right, I'll get another "baby".

You will get another cool car, and a better job. Good luck man.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Nah, I'm completely ignoring performance. It's totally a price thing.

If I had $100k to spend on one car, and I really wanted a 911, god damnit I'm buying a 911!!!

But if I had up to $100k to spend on a car and was brand indifferent, and for whatever reason the Z tickled my fancy, I'd buy the Z and pocket the rest. But typically a buyer in that range is going to ignore our humble little price bracket completely. Bastards.

And there it is!

I guess if I had 100K to spend on one car, I would want to make more of a statement than the boring "exec" car. (that's totally subjective btw..) but it's true because I said it

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KillerBee370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal baby! Age: 53 Posts: 5,964 Drives: with passion Rep Power: 323	Cars are pretty trivial at the end of the day. My wife was really literally on the verge of tears when I told her I was selling my Z because I'm out of work right now... I told her it's just a car. Metal and plastic and when things turn around and the time is right, I'll get another "baby".