2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm...

autopc25 · 10-20-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

I was just pricing all the different 911 models online last night. The difference between a regular model and an "s" model is astronomical when you're talking about the turbo. I think it was like 30k for another 50hp? My stats could be wrong but oi!

And 250k for the GT2... Double oi! Not to mention that the turbo s is waaaay more than a GT3 rs. They say that the GT3 rs is more of a "drivers" car than the turbo. I would have to go with the GT3 I think..

Closer to $20K for the jump from a C2 to C2S. You get other options plus the 50hp. Many feel it is worth it if you have the extra coin.

Many do not like turbo cars. Turbo cars do not deliver power as liner as a naturally inspired car. The GT3 RS 4.0 is probably the ultimate 997 series 911.

I think the new 991 series is going to hit it out of the park if the economy does not kill it.

I agree the 370Z is a exceptional deal for the money.

autopc25 · 10-20-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

For $100k I'd be happy with a 911 and a 7m40s 'Ring lap.

Armonster · 10-20-2011, 07:13 AM

I'm just saying if you can comfortably drop $100k on a 2-seater, you can probably afford a little extra to get an even better model. But that's just me (not that I can afford either one).

m4a1mustang · 10-20-2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Armonster

I'm just saying if you can comfortably drop $100k on a 2-seater, you can probably afford a little extra to get an even better model. But that's just me (not that I can afford either one).

But then where does it stop? There's definitely a big difference between spending $100k on a standard 911 and then maybe $50k more on a Turbo if you are not super rich. Someone making $250k/yr might be comfortable putting 25% or so down and financing the remainder on a $100k 911, but it might not be so nice if your total cost was in excess of $150k.

But that goes back to what was said earlier, that the median income of the 911 owner was somewhere around $390k. I'm sure at $390k/yr the difference between $100k and $150k over 3-5 years is not that much at all.

Plus you get four seats with the 911. Two for humans and two more for groceries.

Armonster · 10-20-2011, 07:54 AM

Good points. And I forgot about those "seats" in the back.

autopc25 · 10-20-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

But then where does it stop? There's definitely a big difference between spending $100k on a standard 911 and then maybe $50k more on a Turbo if you are not super rich. Someone making $250k/yr might be comfortable putting 25% or so down and financing the remainder on a $100k 911, but it might not be so nice if your total cost was in excess of $150k.

But that goes back to what was said earlier, that the median income of the 911 owner was somewhere around $390k. I'm sure at $390k/yr the difference between $100k and $150k over 3-5 years is not that much at all.

Plus you get four seats with the 911. Two for humans and two more for groceries.

The economy is the key today. $390K a year is very-very well off but not super rich today. The first things to go are the toys when the economy is in trouble. Used Ferrari prices are super low right now because they are not practical cars. You can buy a super mint 360 F1 for the same price as a new GT-R all day now. Fortunately for Porsche their cars are much more practical and used daily so prices hold better. It's still a buyers market for most things today if you have cash.

b1adesofcha0s · 10-20-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

But then where does it stop? There's definitely a big difference between spending $100k on a standard 911 and then maybe $50k more on a Turbo if you are not super rich. Someone making $250k/yr might be comfortable putting 25% or so down and financing the remainder on a $100k 911, but it might not be so nice if your total cost was in excess of $150k.

But that goes back to what was said earlier, that the median income of the 911 owner was somewhere around $390k. I'm sure at $390k/yr the difference between $100k and $150k over 3-5 years is not that much at all.

Plus you get four seats with the 911. Two for humans and two more for groceries.

The new 991 looks pretty amazing.

nicknick · 10-20-2011, 09:01 PM

IMO.

1. You pay more because of the badge.
2. You pay more because of more expensive materials used sometimes.
3. You pay more because of the prestige associated with it.
4. You pay more because of the general public's perception of the brand.
5. You exponentially pay more as the performance factor goes up.
6. Porsche STING you for option costs.

What gets me though is that these cars are so expensive and people believe them to be well/over engineered, but in many cases this is not true. For example
Porsche had well publicsed problems with the rear/inner main seal on engines that could cost a ton of dollars to fix. BMW had problems with weak and cracking subframes on their 3 series cars and M3's. So why are "we" paying so much more money for cars like this then when problems like this crop up?

Do these expensive cars last longer? Not from what I have seen. Additionally why are service costs so pricey for these cars? you would think that the extra dosh you're handing over would have gone into R & D to produce an "easy" to service car.

i'm tired now so i'll stop and just read the rest of the posts.

nicknick · 10-20-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I will say this:

I cross shopped, very seriously, the Cayman S and the 370Z. At my price point of "up to $65k or so" I was mainly concerned with value. I ultimately chose the 370Z even though I thought the Cayman S was the better car because the Cayman S was not worth the $30k premium over the Z to me. The Porsche brand honestly means nothing to me UNLESS IT'S A 911 because god damnit if I am buying a Porsche it's going to be a god damn 911! I love them.

I know I said this already, but I'll say it again. If you are in the market for a 911, you are not a value shopper.

So, if you are not a value shopper...are you just a guy with more money than sense?

m4a1mustang · 10-20-2011, 09:07 PM

Nah, value is relative.

Rooster89 · 10-21-2011, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Nah, value is relative.

HAHA I see what you did there.

Pharmacist · 10-22-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknick

IMO.

Porsche had well publicsed problems with the rear/inner main seal on engines that could cost a ton of dollars to fix. BMW had problems with weak and cracking subframes on their 3 series cars and M3's. So why are "we" paying so much more money for cars like this then when problems like this crop up?

Damn, and people whine about the Z going into limp mode or having noisy rear wheel wells, stuck hatch, etc...

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Additionally why are service costs so pricey for these cars?

always wondered that myself. i highly doubt it's the parts. unless they use unicorn blood, their oils can't be that much more expensive than other cars. so i'm guessing they screw you on the labor charge.

Rooster89 · 10-28-2011, 05:50 AM

Porsche Driving Experience Winter 2011/2012 Features Porsche 911 (991)

Apparently the new 991 911 is a winter car. I don't care. If it comes down to sending my unborn children to college or getting a 911....well they better work hard for a scholarship

sboden · 10-28-2011, 08:04 AM

Quite the post now....I've always thought the 911 turbo was a good value compared to some of the other cars its tested against. I've always loved porshes and I can't tell you why. I just love the 911's. I would buy one, if I had the money, for that alone. I personally don't care if a less expensive car can beat me on a race track. I buy it because it moves me.

DLSTR · 11-03-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sboden

Quite the post now....I've always thought the 911 turbo was a good value compared to some of the other cars its tested against. I've always loved porshes and I can't tell you why. I just love the 911's. I would buy one, if I had the money, for that alone. I personally don't care if a less expensive car can beat me on a race track. I buy it because it moves me.

Post of the thread. Well said. Sums up car obsession for me as well.

Drive what you like and what makes you smile. Life is too short. As Ferris Beuller said- ' if you have the means I highly suggest getting one'

No one will take better care of you....... than you.

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Armonster Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 270 Drives: 2010 370z t/sp/6mt Rep Power: 14	I'm just saying if you can comfortably drop $100k on a 2-seater, you can probably afford a little extra to get an even better model. But that's just me (not that I can afford either one).

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nicknick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 438 Drives: Mazda mx5 2007 6sp m Rep Power: 16	IMO. 1. You pay more because of the badge. 2. You pay more because of more expensive materials used sometimes. 3. You pay more because of the prestige associated with it. 4. You pay more because of the general public's perception of the brand. 5. You exponentially pay more as the performance factor goes up. 6. Porsche STING you for option costs. What gets me though is that these cars are so expensive and people believe them to be well/over engineered, but in many cases this is not true. For example Porsche had well publicsed problems with the rear/inner main seal on engines that could cost a ton of dollars to fix. BMW had problems with weak and cracking subframes on their 3 series cars and M3's. So why are "we" paying so much more money for cars like this then when problems like this crop up? Do these expensive cars last longer? Not from what I have seen. Additionally why are service costs so pricey for these cars? you would think that the extra dosh you're handing over would have gone into R & D to produce an "easy" to service car. i'm tired now so i'll stop and just read the rest of the posts.