Test drove a 5.0 Today

GZ3 · 09-13-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

The torque was responsible for that; and remember the base Z w/sport is faster than the Nismo. I love the GT and it has made advances in handling, but still not with the Z; maybe closer to the 350z, but not the 370.

GRANTED, I cannot remember what the stock Z is like that much any more as I have not be on stock suspension since May......

am going to have to agree big with this, my brother in law traded in his LS1 trans AM for a 5.0 last wednesday and we swapped cars, went on a few cruises, and even had some fun! I will say that the dam tranny in the 5.0 is butter...feels better than the 370z. both my bro in law and i came to the same conclusions after driving each other cars. The Z does handle substantially better. And the 5.0 is Faster...stop or roll...the 5.0 is amazing machine...Its almost impossible for me to say anything negative about this car, and if i did it would be a nit pick...the guages reminded me of an old watch for some reason.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 03:10 PM

The gauges always bothered me but for one reason or another I really like them now. And as gimicky as it is, MyColor is awesome.

Demon Z · 09-13-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Buy what you want now, otherwise you'll spend your whole life waiting for something better.

So very true.

chewonyou · 09-13-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The Z outhandles the Mustang, but like I was saying, not by much. Stock for stock the Mustang will beat the Z on any track (save for maybe an autoX), it just won't put up the skidpad (.97 vs. .99) or slalom numbers the Z does. That's really it.

This is a very surprising car.

I said it before and I'll say it again. The 370Z reminded me a lot of a previous Mustang I owned. The Z to me is kind of like a Japanese Mustang... almost always the underdog and almost always exceeding expectations.

Both cars are excellent values and both cars take the fight to much, much higher end products. I'm lucky to have owned both.

Z may be "a little bit better" in feel and handling, but it's not enough to offset the amount of power that the Mustang has. You can't say that the Z will be as fast as the Mustang on a track without saying that the Z will as fast as a E92 BMW M3 on a track...

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Well... as long as the Z does not have an oil cooler, the Stang will ALWAYS beat it on the track.

There's no point for Nissan putting on a oil cooler now because what that will let mags do an objective comparison of the 370z vs. the 5.0 on a track and Nissan knows that the 370z will not be able to keep pace with the 5.0 on anything but an autox.

theDreamer · 09-13-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chewonyou

Z may be "a little bit better" in feel and handling, but it's not enough to offset the amount of power that the Mustang has. You can't say that the Z will be as fast as the Mustang on a track without saying that the Z will as fast as a E92 BMW M3 on a track...

There's no point for Nissan putting on a oil cooler now because what that will let mags do an objective comparison of the 370z vs. the 5.0 on a track and Nissan knows that the 370z will not be able to keep pace with the 5.0 on anything but an autox.

GZ3 · 09-13-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chewonyou

Z may be "a little bit better" in feel and handling, but it's not enough to offset the amount of power that the Mustang has. You can't say that the Z will be as fast as the Mustang on a track without saying that the Z will as fast as a E92 BMW M3 on a track...

There's no point for Nissan putting on a oil cooler now because what that will let mags do an objective comparison of the 370z vs. the 5.0 on a track and Nissan knows that the 370z will not be able to keep pace with the 5.0 on anything but an autox.

thanks for sharing with what I assume SHOULD be your own personal experience with both vehicles...correct?! BTW no one is trying to downplay the 5.0 here....am having flash backs of driving it like a wild night of sex that I was to drunk to recollect...but wanna remember and experience moooaarr

Endgame · 09-13-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

thanks for sharing with what I assume SHOULD be your own personal experience with both vehicles...correct?! BTW no one is trying to downplay the 5.0 here....am having flash backs of driving it like a wild night of sex that I was to drunk to recollect...but wanna remember and experience moooaarr

Exactly. Not downplaying the 5.0 by any means. I am just saying, let's keep it real. The Stang is not a better handler. That is like saying the M3 handles better than a Cayman S. NOPE!

Power, yes, the 5.0 does have. And it is not a bad handler by any means. Just not with the Z.

And, the Z still needs an oil cooler.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 10:12 PM

I still don't think the difference is that great in handling. And I stand by my statement that the Mustang is better balanced. The Z has a lot of understeer from the factory... too much, IMO.

And I don't see how torque is going to be the key to the 2010 Mustang keeping up so well at VIR, a horsepower track. The 370Z is faster in a straight line than the 2010 Mustang GT and slightly better under braking than the track-pack 2010. It's all chassis that's keeping the Mustang close. Not torque. I've run there before and there's no point on that track where the 370Z isn't going to pull a 2010 Mustang (stock for stock).

Anyways, the Z needs an oil cooler but not from the factory. 9 out of 10 Z's that are sold will never see a situation that requires one, so it makes more sense to let the end user deal with it.

Modshack · 09-14-2010, 08:36 AM

For those who haven't seen/read this it's a pretty good review. Pobst is a pretty respected driver. Looks like with a set of shocks, the Mustang would have been the clear winner Vs. a virtual tie... Be sure to watch the video!

M3 Vs the Pony: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

m4a1mustang · 09-14-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

For those who haven't seen/read this it's a pretty good review. Pobst is a pretty respected driver. Looks like with a set of shocks, the Mustang would have been the clear winner Vs. a virtual tie... Be sure to watch the video!

M3 Vs the Pony: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

Agreed. Shocks and you're all set.

370Zsteve · 09-14-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

For those who haven't seen/read this it's a pretty good review. Pobst is a pretty respected driver. Looks like with a set of shocks, the Mustang would have been the clear winner Vs. a virtual tie... Be sure to watch the video!

M3 Vs the Pony: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend

Pobst indicated that the Mustang was quite unstable at speed. That would be a thumbs-down in the course of a race. This is a comparison of stock vs stock. Aftermarket shocks would improve the M3 as well, no doubt. And the nose dive...

"The car stands on its nose when you go to brake," says Randy, "And there's a fair amount of squat, so you feel a lot of pitch. It doesn't seem to be hurting the cars braking or entry that much, but it's disconcerting."

The Mustang is a great car, but it's no M3. I'm repeating myself, I guess.

m4a1mustang · 09-14-2010, 09:37 AM

No one ever said it was an M3.

370Zsteve · 09-14-2010, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

No one ever said it was an M3.

A lot is being said that it's as good as an M3. Perhaps, since the 5.0 is a Premium Package and not a stock Mustang, this should be the M3 comparison vehicle?

2011 BMW M3 Competition Package First Drive - Motor Trend

Modshack · 09-14-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

A lot is being said that it's as good as an M3. Perhaps, since the 5.0 is a Premium Package and not a stock Mustang,

So Sync and leather seats make it go better?????????????

All we're saying is that the GT is a great package for $30K less than an M3. Pobst seems to agree ("God Bless America") , and a $500 set of shocks will make it even better and address (most) of his concerns.. The M3 is a great car, but so is the GT. I'll keep the $30K in my pocket thanks!

Diesel370 · 09-14-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Exactly. Not downplaying the 5.0 by any means. I am just saying, let's keep it real. The Stang is not a better handler. That is like saying the M3 handles better than a Cayman S. NOPE!

Power, yes, the 5.0 does have. And it is not a bad handler by any means. Just not with the Z.

And, the Z still needs an oil cooler.

The M3 DOES handle better than the Cayman S. And the '11 Mustang GT has OUT HANDLED the Nissan 370z. The Mustang can even out handle the Cayman!! Oh boy You're just full of assumptions aren't you?

At VIR:
Cayman S 3:05.8
BMW M3 3:05.4

At Willow Springs
Cayman S 1:28
BMW M3 1:27
'11 Mustang GT 1:27
Nissan 370Z 1:28

At Laguna Seca
Cayman S 1:43
BMW M3 1:42

At Nordschleife:
Cayman S 8:06
BMW M3 8:05

At Autozeitung:
Cayman S 1:41
BMW M3 1:40

09-13-2010, 03:10 PM	#497 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	The gauges always bothered me but for one reason or another I really like them now. And as gimicky as it is, MyColor is awesome. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-13-2010, 10:12 PM	#503 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I still don't think the difference is that great in handling. And I stand by my statement that the Mustang is better balanced. The Z has a lot of understeer from the factory... too much, IMO. And I don't see how torque is going to be the key to the 2010 Mustang keeping up so well at VIR, a horsepower track. The 370Z is faster in a straight line than the 2010 Mustang GT and slightly better under braking than the track-pack 2010. It's all chassis that's keeping the Mustang close. Not torque. I've run there before and there's no point on that track where the 370Z isn't going to pull a 2010 Mustang (stock for stock). Anyways, the Z needs an oil cooler but not from the factory. 9 out of 10 Z's that are sold will never see a situation that requires one, so it makes more sense to let the end user deal with it. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 09-13-2010 at 10:15 PM.

09-14-2010, 08:36 AM	#504 (permalink)
Modshack A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenville NC Posts: 2,883 Drives: 370Z Sport Rep Power: 977	For those who haven't seen/read this it's a pretty good review. Pobst is a pretty respected driver. Looks like with a set of shocks, the Mustang would have been the clear winner Vs. a virtual tie... Be sure to watch the video! M3 Vs the Pony: 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Comparison - Motor Trend __________________ Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S Oil Cooler DIY: Here!

09-14-2010, 09:37 AM	#507 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	No one ever said it was an M3. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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