2020 Supra... first thoughts

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-20-2019, 11:39 AM

Here's a pre comparison by cent of the major sports cars and the Supra. Z included.

https://www-cnet-com.cdn.ampproject....vrolet-ford%2F

sunkist350z · 01-20-2019, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Here's a pre comparison by cent of the major sports cars and the Supra. Z included.

https://www-cnet-com.cdn.ampproject....vrolet-ford%2F

Great find and good comparison, kinda flattering they included the aging 370z here lol

Zoren 370 · 01-20-2019, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Here's a pre comparison by cent of the major sports cars and the Supra. Z included.

https://www-cnet-com.cdn.ampproject....vrolet-ford%2F

Nice comparison review. I still find the new Supra overpriced. But it seems they are targeting the 40 years of age and above.

So young teens wait for 7-8 years before you get your hands on this bad boy supra.

Chasingstatus · 01-21-2019, 08:50 AM

I simply look at it like this, it's a car pretty much aimed directly at enthusiasts, also maybe some brand loyaltists as well. But every time the car comes up in topic it is met with a "ehhhh". That right there is going to sum up the sales. It's good for BMW guys, and I've seen a few warriors that stand by the motor/ drivetrain. It's definitely a case of Toyota seeing how hard it is back in the sport car market.

Volk Z · 01-21-2019, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Here's a pre comparison by cent of the major sports cars and the Supra. Z included.

https://www-cnet-com.cdn.ampproject....vrolet-ford%2F

His statements on the Nismo are a little off... the car still looks sexy as subjective as that is I still get a ton of looks and people saying it looks great. If you compare my nismo to that supra it's not like a Ferrari to a mustang...

Also he says the Nismo interior is crap. I enjoy the Recaro seats better than the crappy seats in the vette or mustang... I've driven both. Even the fat recaro option in the mustang are junk.

I'm not sure who runs a 4.7 in the Nismo either. My 350z with intake and 200 pounds off did it in 4.9 with significantly less power.

I would have bought that if it had a Toyota motor and 6 speed. They talk crap about a Z but at least Nissan still make them in JAPAN and are still Japanese....

If I want German I will go grab an M2

Whjaxn17 · 01-21-2019, 06:31 PM

I like it, mostly. The BMW engine concerns me reliability wise, but I'm not fond of the idea that it's auto only. Power wise, "same horsepower as the Z" is a pretty large oversight. It makes 95ft-lb more torque than the Z, and these engines from BMW tend to be seriously underrated, so it may very well make in the neighborhood of 340-360wtq and it weighs the same as the Z. That'll put a couple busses on a stock Z, nismo or not. I think it'll be a fun, quick little car that will make solid power for as long as that BMW heart holds up.

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Cyber370 · 01-22-2019, 04:10 AM

Toyota really dropped the ball using BMW for everything but the sheet metal. What they should’ve done was take a Lexus LC500, drop a few pounds by removing all of the ultra-luxury items, change up the sheet metal a bit and called it a Supra. That car would’ve been spectacular and no one would’ve complained. Why? Because for all intents and purposes, the LC500 is more Supra than this cheapened BMW abomination.

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Spartan 1771 · 01-22-2019, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

His statements on the Nismo are a little off... the car still looks sexy as subjective as that is I still get a ton of looks and people saying it looks great. If you compare my nismo to that supra it's not like a Ferrari to a mustang...

Agreed. The exterior styling, especially the front end are top notch. So much so that a lot of non-nismo Z owners are choosing to go with the NISMO front end over after market bumpers. His statements about this makes me question his ability to understand what is hot on the market right now with enthusiasts.

NecioVato · 01-22-2019, 07:33 AM

Maybe it's just me - but why do they always look for a reason to do a comparison that includes the Z. Are we really going to compare a car that is 10years old to a car that hasn't even been released to the public yet? While I do enjoy the Z and I think it's a beautiful car - I just think it's unfair to compare it to the Corvette and the Mustang which will easily outperform it (just my opinion); throw into the comparison with the latest Z4/Supra and I just don't understand how it makes sense.

The Z is one of the last V6 NA sports cars that I can think of. Part of me used to be happy that they would still consider/add the Z to the equation bc it made me feel that even though my car is based off of 10yr old R&D - it still was able to compete. Now I just feel that while it might be able to compete - it doesn't make sense to compare it to cars that are newer and have more R&D behind it. Am I surprised that the writer came up with the Z being last - no bc if it didn't - I would be shocked with the cars that were being used to compare it. Again, this isn't to trash the Z - I just find it interesting that a lot of writers include the Z - and then sh!t all over it within their article like if the Z has been out for only a year or so.

ZCanadian · 01-22-2019, 05:26 PM

That the 370Z is still relevant at all for a comparison, despite being a 10 year old design and having only one real refresh early on, is the astounding part.

If Nissan had bumped power of our cars a few times and upgraded the anemic torque number, and perhaps improved interior tech, the 370Z would still be the car to beat (especially for the price). Instead, it's become a bit of a joke in the automotive world, and a cash cow for Nissan.
"See, we still offer a 6 and manual transmission - who needs investment? People will still buy it regardless, just because there is nothing else."

NecioVato · 01-23-2019, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

That the 370Z is still relevant at all for a comparison, despite being a 10 year old design and having only one real refresh early on, is the astounding part.

If Nissan had bumped power of our cars a few times and upgraded the anemic torque number, and perhaps improved interior tech, the 370Z would still be the car to beat (especially for the price). Instead, it's become a bit of a joke in the automotive world, and a cash cow for Nissan.
"See, we still offer a 6 and manual transmission - who needs investment? People will still buy it regardless, just because there is nothing else."

I totally agree with you - if they would have pushed the car to put out a little more HP and given more torque. Maybe added Apple/Android CarPlay instead of the ‘tech’ system they have been recycling for the last 5 or so years - the Z would still be able to compete.

I wonder how people would have take it if the car and engine that was used at SEMA that was pushing 400HP is what was used for the refresh. On some level having a different engine in it would be weird but since it would include a turbo - it would make it so it would be tunable and make most of us if not all of us happy. I find very few Z owners complaining about the looks of the car even though it’s 10yrs old. But if we could get engine updates made - it would make it so they could compete with newer cars and I don’t think we would mind waiting for a new model so much. So i guess we wait and hope a concept comes out soon so we all have something to look forward to.

Spartan 1771 · 01-23-2019, 06:45 AM

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/19/...lls-2-million/

Here is some pure insanity for everyone's viewing pleasure.

Lvcky69 · 01-23-2019, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan 1771

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/19/...lls-2-million/

Here is some pure insanity for everyone's viewing pleasure.

pure propaganda

Spartan 1771 · 01-23-2019, 02:28 PM

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-23-2019, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NecioVato

I totally agree with you - if they would have pushed the car to put out a little more HP and given more torque. Maybe added Apple/Android CarPlay instead of the ‘tech’ system they have been recycling for the last 5 or so years - the Z would still be able to compete.

I wonder how people would have take it if the car and engine that was used at SEMA that was pushing 400HP is what was used for the refresh. On some level having a different engine in it would be weird but since it would include a turbo - it would make it so it would be tunable and make most of us if not all of us happy. I find very few Z owners complaining about the looks of the car even though it’s 10yrs old. But if we could get engine updates made - it would make it so they could compete with newer cars and I don’t think we would mind waiting for a new model so much. So i guess we wait and hope a concept comes out soon so we all have something to look forward to.

Agreed... On the external, Nissan should update the head and taillights though. And maybe bolden the lines on the side of the car. Maybe adding extra aero?
They could've treated the z35 like a refresh with the new engine n it would still be relevant in terms of appearance.

01-20-2019, 11:39 AM	#91 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	Here's a pre comparison by cent of the major sports cars and the Supra. Z included. https://www-cnet-com.cdn.ampproject....vrolet-ford%2F sunkist350z, Spartan 1771 and ZCanadian like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

01-21-2019, 08:50 AM	#94 (permalink)
Chasingstatus Base Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: N/A Posts: 158 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 10	I simply look at it like this, it's a car pretty much aimed directly at enthusiasts, also maybe some brand loyaltists as well. But every time the car comes up in topic it is met with a "ehhhh". That right there is going to sum up the sales. It's good for BMW guys, and I've seen a few warriors that stand by the motor/ drivetrain. It's definitely a case of Toyota seeing how hard it is back in the sport car market. Spartan 1771 and wanker like this. __________________ Another one bites the dust....

01-21-2019, 06:31 PM	#96 (permalink)
Whjaxn17 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Alabama Age: 28 Posts: 420 Drives: 17 370Z 6MT Rep Power: 3364	I like it, mostly. The BMW engine concerns me reliability wise, but I'm not fond of the idea that it's auto only. Power wise, "same horsepower as the Z" is a pretty large oversight. It makes 95ft-lb more torque than the Z, and these engines from BMW tend to be seriously underrated, so it may very well make in the neighborhood of 340-360wtq and it weighs the same as the Z. That'll put a couple busses on a stock Z, nismo or not. I think it'll be a fun, quick little car that will make solid power for as long as that BMW heart holds up. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk sunkist350z and Spartan 1771 like this. __________________ 377whp/299wtq NA 704whp/519wtq, SOHO stage 2.5 IG: pearlywhite.z Last edited by Whjaxn17; 01-22-2019 at 08:13 AM.

01-22-2019, 04:10 AM	#97 (permalink)
Cyber370 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 679 Drives: 2016 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 19371	Toyota really dropped the ball using BMW for everything but the sheet metal. What they should’ve done was take a Lexus LC500, drop a few pounds by removing all of the ultra-luxury items, change up the sheet metal a bit and called it a Supra. That car would’ve been spectacular and no one would’ve complained. Why? Because for all intents and purposes, the LC500 is more Supra than this cheapened BMW abomination. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Spartan 1771, sx moneypit and CRiZO like this. __________________ "That’s when you know you’ve found somebody special. When you can just shut the fck up for a minute and comfortably enjoy the silence.”-Mia (Pulp Fiction)*

01-22-2019, 07:33 AM	#99 (permalink)
NecioVato Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 319 Drives: 2017 Black Nismo Z Rep Power: 19786	Maybe it's just me - but why do they always look for a reason to do a comparison that includes the Z. Are we really going to compare a car that is 10years old to a car that hasn't even been released to the public yet? While I do enjoy the Z and I think it's a beautiful car - I just think it's unfair to compare it to the Corvette and the Mustang which will easily outperform it (just my opinion); throw into the comparison with the latest Z4/Supra and I just don't understand how it makes sense. The Z is one of the last V6 NA sports cars that I can think of. Part of me used to be happy that they would still consider/add the Z to the equation bc it made me feel that even though my car is based off of 10yr old R&D - it still was able to compete. Now I just feel that while it might be able to compete - it doesn't make sense to compare it to cars that are newer and have more R&D behind it. Am I surprised that the writer came up with the Z being last - no bc if it didn't - I would be shocked with the cars that were being used to compare it. Again, this isn't to trash the Z - I just find it interesting that a lot of writers include the Z - and then sh!t all over it within their article like if the Z has been out for only a year or so. Spartan 1771 likes this.

01-22-2019, 05:26 PM	#100 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,032 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 58796	That the 370Z is still relevant at all for a comparison, despite being a 10 year old design and having only one real refresh early on, is the astounding part. If Nissan had bumped power of our cars a few times and upgraded the anemic torque number, and perhaps improved interior tech, the 370Z would still be the car to beat (especially for the price). Instead, it's become a bit of a joke in the automotive world, and a cash cow for Nissan. "See, we still offer a 6 and manual transmission - who needs investment? People will still buy it regardless, just because there is nothing else." NecioVato, UNKNOWN_370, Spartan 1771 and 2 others like this.

01-23-2019, 06:45 AM	#102 (permalink)
Spartan 1771 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Maryland Posts: 1,280 Drives: Wife crazy & 09 370Z Rep Power: 105453	https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/19/...lls-2-million/ Here is some pure insanity for everyone's viewing pleasure. __________________ ~Rob -DD Air Guide, Stillen G3 CAIs, 63mm Throttle Bodies, Motordyne M370, Berk HFCs, FI TDX CBE (non-res, CF), Sprint booster v3, Ecutek Dyno Tuned, and the list goes on...

01-23-2019, 02:28 PM	#104 (permalink)
Spartan 1771 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Maryland Posts: 1,280 Drives: Wife crazy & 09 370Z Rep Power: 105453	sunkist350z, UNKNOWN_370 and ZCanadian like this. __________________ ~Rob -DD Air Guide, Stillen G3 CAIs, 63mm Throttle Bodies, Motordyne M370, Berk HFCs, FI TDX CBE (non-res, CF), Sprint booster v3, Ecutek Dyno Tuned, and the list goes on...

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