Don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
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Yeah, I suspect that the dealerships will be loaded with TRD accessories before the car even gets there. And there is probably a TRD “performance edition” in the works for the moment the demand for the initial release wanes.

Toyota isn’t one to miss a trick in that respect.

I wonder what the 'market adjusted rate' will be for this car. We all know while the price says $50k - it will be much much higher - hell, you can't even get a Civic Type-R for MSRP and it's been out for 2-3yrs now.

After seeing the car on Youtube - personally if I could afford one at $50k - I probably would consider it; with the turbo - it will be able to be tuned to produce more HP and while the looks are polarizing - I think it looks pretty cool overall. The interesting thing will be - will dealers even let you test drive it - something tells me no. That the 'test drive' will be after you sign your name on the dotted line to purchase one.

I am curious to see what the tuner crowd will do with this car as well as getting some real world reviews off of youtube. This also makes me excited to see what the next Z will look like - whenever that is.

I think you're right. We wont see one of these for anywhere near $50k for a long time.

When this thing hits the ground at the local dealer, I’m going to wander over for sh..ts and giggles to see how far they are going to bend the customer over to get behind the wheel.

It's technically a GR (Gazoo Racing) Supra I think? Not sure if there can even be a TRD? Though I imagine there will be plenty of accessories. TRD has gone the way of BMW M.

Then I will be waiting, hopefully the z35 will even be a concept version by then..

Ha... You might enjoy this article. This guy says the Supra should've been an SUV. LOL

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...suv-crossover/

You may be a old man by then. :rofl2:

I am already old and my hairs have been getting gray waiting for the new z car to arrive lol

I saw that today at Barrett Jackson they are auctioning off vin# 00001 which is a one of one in matt grey and signed by Mr. Toyota with some other exclusive stuff for charity

Here's a pre comparison by cent of the major sports cars and the Supra. Z included.

https://www-cnet-com.cdn.ampproject....vrolet-ford%2F

Great find and good comparison, kinda flattering they included the aging 370z here lol

Nice comparison review. I still find the new Supra overpriced. But it seems they are targeting the 40 years of age and above.

So young teens wait for 7-8 years before you get your hands on this bad boy supra.

I simply look at it like this, it's a car pretty much aimed directly at enthusiasts, also maybe some brand loyaltists as well. But every time the car comes up in topic it is met with a "ehhhh". That right there is going to sum up the sales. It's good for BMW guys, and I've seen a few warriors that stand by the motor/ drivetrain. It's definitely a case of Toyota seeing how hard it is back in the sport car market.

His statements on the Nismo are a little off... the car still looks sexy as subjective as that is I still get a ton of looks and people saying it looks great. If you compare my nismo to that supra it's not like a Ferrari to a mustang...

Also he says the Nismo interior is crap. I enjoy the Recaro seats better than the crappy seats in the vette or mustang... I've driven both. Even the fat recaro option in the mustang are junk.

I'm not sure who runs a 4.7 in the Nismo either. My 350z with intake and 200 pounds off did it in 4.9 with significantly less power.

I would have bought that if it had a Toyota motor and 6 speed. They talk crap about a Z but at least Nissan still make them in JAPAN and are still Japanese....

If I want German I will go grab an M2

I like it, mostly. The BMW engine concerns me reliability wise, but I'm not fond of the idea that it's auto only. Power wise, "same horsepower as the Z" is a pretty large oversight. It makes 95ft-lb more torque than the Z, and these engines from BMW tend to be seriously underrated, so it may very well make in the neighborhood of 340-360wtq and it weighs the same as the Z. That'll put a couple busses on a stock Z, nismo or not. I think it'll be a fun, quick little car that will make solid power for as long as that BMW heart holds up.

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Toyota really dropped the ball using BMW for everything but the sheet metal. What they should’ve done was take a Lexus LC500, drop a few pounds by removing all of the ultra-luxury items, change up the sheet metal a bit and called it a Supra. That car would’ve been spectacular and no one would’ve complained. Why? Because for all intents and purposes, the LC500 is more Supra than this cheapened BMW abomination.


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Agreed. The exterior styling, especially the front end are top notch. So much so that a lot of non-nismo Z owners are choosing to go with the NISMO front end over after market bumpers. His statements about this makes me question his ability to understand what is hot on the market right now with enthusiasts.

Maybe it's just me - but why do they always look for a reason to do a comparison that includes the Z. Are we really going to compare a car that is 10years old to a car that hasn't even been released to the public yet? While I do enjoy the Z and I think it's a beautiful car - I just think it's unfair to compare it to the Corvette and the Mustang which will easily outperform it (just my opinion); throw into the comparison with the latest Z4/Supra and I just don't understand how it makes sense.

The Z is one of the last V6 NA sports cars that I can think of. Part of me used to be happy that they would still consider/add the Z to the equation bc it made me feel that even though my car is based off of 10yr old R&D - it still was able to compete. Now I just feel that while it might be able to compete - it doesn't make sense to compare it to cars that are newer and have more R&D behind it. Am I surprised that the writer came up with the Z being last - no bc if it didn't - I would be shocked with the cars that were being used to compare it. Again, this isn't to trash the Z - I just find it interesting that a lot of writers include the Z - and then sh!t all over it within their article like if the Z has been out for only a year or so.

That the 370Z is still relevant at all for a comparison, despite being a 10 year old design and having only one real refresh early on, is the astounding part.

If Nissan had bumped power of our cars a few times and upgraded the anemic torque number, and perhaps improved interior tech, the 370Z would still be the car to beat (especially for the price). Instead, it's become a bit of a joke in the automotive world, and a cash cow for Nissan.
"See, we still offer a 6 and manual transmission - who needs investment? People will still buy it regardless, just because there is nothing else."

I totally agree with you - if they would have pushed the car to put out a little more HP and given more torque. Maybe added Apple/Android CarPlay instead of the ‘tech’ system they have been recycling for the last 5 or so years - the Z would still be able to compete.

I wonder how people would have take it if the car and engine that was used at SEMA that was pushing 400HP is what was used for the refresh. On some level having a different engine in it would be weird but since it would include a turbo - it would make it so it would be tunable and make most of us if not all of us happy. I find very few Z owners complaining about the looks of the car even though it’s 10yrs old. But if we could get engine updates made - it would make it so they could compete with newer cars and I don’t think we would mind waiting for a new model so much. So i guess we wait and hope a concept comes out soon so we all have something to look forward to.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/19/...lls-2-million/

Here is some pure insanity for everyone's viewing pleasure.

pure propaganda

Agreed... On the external, Nissan should update the head and taillights though. And maybe bolden the lines on the side of the car. Maybe adding extra aero?
They could've treated the z35 like a refresh with the new engine n it would still be relevant in terms of appearance.

People are going to **** all over Nissan no matter what they do. The internet just likes to be angry at things.

this literally made me LOL. And yeah, totally agree with your statement. We live in a society where instead of appreciating what one has, one looks for fault in it....OR they can't see past what they own and acknowledge that maybe there might be something better.

I would be a hypocrite if I said I don't do it. IKNOW I do it - hell, I even have a Golf R thread started and even went as far as to see if I could get a great deal on one - when I have a Nismo that I do enjoy driving and puts a smile on my face - STUPID I KNOW! haha; but regardless, this made me laugh and is a very true statement.

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The Supra engine sounds promising. There's been a lot of thought into the potentiality of enthusiasts tuning the car. Since the car is already forced induction it may be cheap to mod it seems. Unlike the Q60 vr30dett. Which has so many proprietary technologies. It might as well be an NA mod in cost. These things matter.
Finally... Sounds like it will have a nice sounding exhaust. Something Nissan couldn't even do with a N/A engine and probably the biggest disappointment on the Z.

I'm hoping they make a special edition with the 385hp from the Z4 soon. My only gripe would be the lack of BMW's amazing dual clutch. If they were gonna skimp out on the manual? They could've made a good automatic...

By the way .. My comparisons to the Z aren't Z hate. But I'm nearly seeing the advantages of a newer platform in the Supra
Lastly. Toyota pricing the SUPRA where it's at keeps the Z relevant. The top line Z costs 47k but can be had for about 43k. . a base supra being 50k means toyota wasn't out to crush the Z. So it's up to Nissan to decide how they wanna play it next gen. Compete with the Spra at the price point. Or be the car about 7k cheaper? Mazda Rx9... Where are you?

Performance wise, the DCT is the way to go, but if one wanted to daily drive a Supra, don't you see the ZF transmission as a better choice? Probably the most impressive aspect of the M240i xDrive was the smoothness in which it accelerated. I was actually shocked how much I liked it.

ZF8 is the best auto gearbox on the planet. It can handle more torque than the DCT in my M2. BMW races the gearbox. Im sure Toyota has tuned the motor/gearbox to a nice synch.

For all the talk about the Supra and what use it is, I would bet it will drive nicely and surprise many.

Just say "NO" to that BMW thingy.... :)

Am I the only one who does not want my sports car to be smooth and "drive nicely"?

Not trying to pick a fight with anyone here, but that kind of metric simply bumps the car down to "sporty grocery getter" for me. Nothing wrong with that, but then don't promote it as anything other than a mid life crisis for balding dudes with hemorrhoids.

I'm fine with smooth and nice driving, and prefer it in a street car. I'm not on a race track and the idea that cars have to be violent and loud to be fast was outdated a decade ago. It's why I bought the Z. It's a comfortable sports car that I do get groceries in.

My race car? Hell yeah I want every gear change to make me see God.

The Supra won’t have a manual option apparently.

I think a DCT is the purer choice... Isn't the Supra a sports car? It's a shame people want to soften up the feel of a sports car to daily drive it. Sports cars are meant to be driven for fun. Not for groceries... I think this is why companies make crossovers. Cuz people can't appreciate the mechanical feel of the DCT or manual transmission. Every one wants the sports car but want to take all the visceral nature out of these cars. I guess electric cars will succeed because people want the muted pussification of the driving experience. I guess im old but i personally think DCT and manual are the only ways to go. Clunk and all.

I read this after I posted.... You're not alone bruh!!!!

Driving nicely as a sportscar. For me that means doing the basics it should do and well. I could say aggressive and mean the same thing. I simply chose a different word in a war of symantics lol :rofl2::happydance:

If true that is not an issue anymore given how good DCT/Auto's are now. With DCT in my M2 for 2 years now I would never go back to a manual unless low powered classic.

The incessant whining over manual 'purity' is numbing. Putting power down is done better and efficiently, so as to actually get use of most of the power better with DCT/Auto. If fast is for you a manual is not with higher power levels.

The myth of the better driving experience is just a personal whim not a fact. The physics say otherwise. Im good with that. I chose the M2 with an open mind to DCT. Im glad I had the option to do so.

194hp a nd 255hp Supra won't come to USA. Too bad the 255 isn't coming.

https://www.motor1.com/news/301249/t...r-cylinder-us/

I agree with both of you. I know the masses want a daily driver that is comfortable, quiet and smooth all packed in to a "sports car". To me, those attributes and title are a contradiction in terms.