2020 Supra... first thoughts

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-16-2019, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

B58 motor is much better than most think. Interesting link to view - https://jalopnik.com/watch-this-firs...upr-1837213368

I know Toyota went with this engine cuz it's as modifiable as the 2jz. It wasn't a vanity merger. There was a reason for choosing BMW.

Ventruck · 08-15-2019, 11:26 PM

Yeah, I think a lot of people coming from the JDM and Toyota fanbase have no idea about the lineage of the B58, and I'll admit I'm not that familiar myself, apart from it stemming from a long development of the N55, maybe just going sideways with VANOS. Of course it would've been nice to see Toyota show their hand at a performance engine again, but this can't be called a write-off just yet.

That aftermarket manual is something of a game-changer — with depreciated Supra. Not to beat a dead-horse, but Supra at MSRP + this $12k, in the face of what the C8 offers for the money...still a weird one to swallow imo.

boosted180sx · 08-16-2019, 09:13 AM

these things has already hit 10s

in spoiler cause pics are kinda big ..

( Click to show/hide )

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-16-2019, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by boosted180sx

these things has already hit 10s

in spoiler cause pics are kinda big ..

( Click to show/hide )

You owe me a 10 second car!!!

https://youtu.be/OhBw4jSmFx8

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-16-2019, 08:06 PM

I dont care if you win by a inch or a mile .. Winning is winning!!!

https://youtu.be/pB-bN-RkJLM

Ventruck · 08-17-2019, 11:39 PM

It's honestly great that the Supra is showing out to be better than assumed. So far it's surviving anything being thrown at it (albeit in just this short month or so).

Still a weird place to be. If you had to make the most out of your money, still can't be sure if this has made its case. Yet at the same time, the C8 has a major lead time, and literally no driving reviews to date preceding the possible first year flaws, so there is the case that some people are willing to bite on the Supra for being accessible while it keeps showing more promise to hold itself together.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-18-2019, 02:54 PM

Stock engine can handle 1000hp!!!! Thank you Toyota for saving your base a lot of cash. The window thing really bothers me though. They better invent a kool wind deflector or something? Cuz I drive with windows open!!!

https://www.motor1.com/news/364944/t...rdown-1000-hp/

Ventruck · 08-19-2019, 10:06 PM

Mr. Spaghetti says not many people are interested in his new meatball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WMmm2X6NE

reality is, I don't think anyone's looking to spend premium rental money on a Supra.

I could be interested at the right price. Honestly it kinda sucks to just see it sit there.

Ventruck · 08-19-2019, 10:17 PM

Oh, and Jackie has been somewhat solid with documenting tracking the car. A little annoying to hear him have to narrate/react to every little thing, but he can drive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez9XmtWXjGg

ZeeingAround · 08-20-2019, 09:53 AM

Engine teardown.
going for 1000hp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckxlP60cnY

Ventruck · 08-22-2019, 11:25 PM

Supra with a 1:23.10 at the Top Gear Test Track

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/top-gear-track

No, not the 'ring, but interesting where that stands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjTB7Po38Jw

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-31-2019, 07:53 PM

https://www.autoindustriya.com/featu...successor.html

I agree with this article... plus. In a world where affordable sports cars are scarce. In a world where 40k only buys you base powerhouse muscle or the only new used car on the planet. The Supra is a gift. I'm not even a toyota fanboy in the least. I wasnt a Supra worshipper of the past. I was an Rx7 guy all the way... But even I know Toyota wont put out an unreliable sports car!!! To think it will be is lunacy!!! That's one thing toyota dont play with that other car companies make secondary.

This car puts down respectable numbers. Seems torquey af and is a worthy entry with lap times that exceed its low on paper stats.
I know I know the corvette. But you're looking at $70k for a properly opted vette. Vs $54k for this properly opted. If $16,000 doesnt hurt you? Fine...
But for some $16k is gonna be a lot of extra car payment. And I can see them being sold for $50k out the door once the vette is out.

This might sound silly but it's the window down issue that's the deal breaker for me. I love driving with my windows down in good weather. But most people dont. So I pray Toyota sells the shyt out of these so Nissan and Mazda doesnt hesitate to make competitors.

Ventruck · 08-31-2019, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

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I know I know the corvette. But you're looking at $70k for a properly opted vette. Vs $54k for this properly opted. If $16,000 doesnt hurt you? Fine...
But for some $16k is gonna be a lot of extra car payment. And I can see them being sold for $50k out the door once the vette is out.

After the dust has kinda settled from the C8 reveal, it was just a timing thing. People scratching heads about the Supra while the C8 came up with some mind-blowing claims (claims, so far).

I mean people will forget that the C7 was some awesome **** when it launched and I'm sure there were digs at Porsche at the time. Sub 4 second 0-60 (which is still pretty fast today), the 7 speed, MRC, styling and major interior overhaul (albeit not class-leading at all). Z51 was like pads and tires away from a track day. There wasn't even a Supra to talk about.

But now there is a Supra to talk about, and there has been nothing but promise for it so far. Adam LZ already has his 550hp in what looked like a straightforward turbo + downpipe swap, and meth install.

I still want to hold my breath on possible higher trims. I currently don't like how there are cooler vacancies and vents "ready" to mod (even the intake vent is blocked off). The Lexus RCF and GSF come with better cooling equipment. Yes the MSRP on those is higher, but this is supposed to the flagship sports car. So I imagine it's possible Toyota puts out a higher spec model, and that's likely going to be awesome assuming the price hike isn't insane. I still have my Gran Turismo dreams of owning one of the head JDM sports car models.

But yeah, still each to their own. I've also been leaning to avoid modding going forward (yeah buzzkill) with California and whatever laws kick in for automobiles with time passing. I'm even holding back doing anything more to my Z performance-wise. Probably would've been a different story if I had a space for a second car.

DLSTR · 09-01-2019, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

https://www.autoindustriya.com/featu...successor.html

I agree with this article... plus. In a world where affordable sports cars are scarce. In a world where 40k only buys you base powerhouse muscle or the only new used car on the planet. The Supra is a gift. I'm not even a toyota fanboy in the least. I wasnt a Supra worshipper of the past. I was an Rx7 guy all the way... But even I know Toyota wont put out an unreliable sports car!!! To think it will be is lunacy!!! That's one thing toyota dont play with that other car companies make secondary.

This car puts down respectable numbers. Seems torquey af and is a worthy entry with lap times that exceed its low on paper stats.
I know I know the corvette. But you're looking at $70k for a properly opted vette. Vs $54k for this properly opted. If $16,000 doesnt hurt you? Fine...
But for some $16k is gonna be a lot of extra car payment. And I can see them being sold for $50k out the door once the vette is out.

This might sound silly but it's the window down issue that's the deal breaker for me. I love driving with my windows down in good weather. But most people dont. So I pray Toyota sells the shyt out of these so Nissan and Mazda doesnt hesitate to make competitors.

I think this is well said!! We can make endless comparison around configurations and sports cars. What do you like? What do you want for your driving that matters most. Not what others think EVER. Get YOUR car YOUR way and enjoy the ride. Windows down or up lol

Im keen to test the Supra and feel what is offered. The C8 is amazing on spec but what does the drive feel like. One may like the Supra more or the Vette C8 etc. Im attracted to both lol

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-01-2019, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLSTR

I think this is well said!! We can make endless comparison around configurations and sports cars. What do you like? What do you want for your driving that matters most. Not what others think EVER. Get YOUR car YOUR way and enjoy the ride. Windows down or up lol

Im keen to test the Supra and feel what is offered. The C8 is amazing on spec but what does the drive feel like. One may like the Supra more or the Vette C8 etc. Im attracted to both lol

Definitely... I'm attracted to any car made for sports with over 270hp in RWD/AWD or over 200hp in FWD if the price to performance is right. And I just dont mean on paper numbers.

08-16-2019, 08:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	I dont care if you win by a inch or a mile .. Winning is winning!!! https://youtu.be/pB-bN-RkJLM __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

08-18-2019, 02:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Stock engine can handle 1000hp!!!! Thank you Toyota for saving your base a lot of cash. The window thing really bothers me though. They better invent a kool wind deflector or something? Cuz I drive with windows open!!! https://www.motor1.com/news/364944/t...rdown-1000-hp/ __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

08-20-2019, 09:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
ZeeingAround A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 6,365 Drives: 3500 NVP 370Z-sold! Rep Power: 86625	Engine teardown. going for 1000hp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckxlP60cnY __________________ Get some roosters for eggs and Bulls for milk . Then you will see that gender matters. Especially at milking time.

08-31-2019, 07:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	https://www.autoindustriya.com/featu...successor.html I agree with this article... plus. In a world where affordable sports cars are scarce. In a world where 40k only buys you base powerhouse muscle or the only new used car on the planet. The Supra is a gift. I'm not even a toyota fanboy in the least. I wasnt a Supra worshipper of the past. I was an Rx7 guy all the way... But even I know Toyota wont put out an unreliable sports car!!! To think it will be is lunacy!!! That's one thing toyota dont play with that other car companies make secondary. This car puts down respectable numbers. Seems torquey af and is a worthy entry with lap times that exceed its low on paper stats. I know I know the corvette. But you're looking at $70k for a properly opted vette. Vs $54k for this properly opted. If $16,000 doesnt hurt you? Fine... But for some $16k is gonna be a lot of extra car payment. And I can see them being sold for $50k out the door once the vette is out. This might sound silly but it's the window down issue that's the deal breaker for me. I love driving with my windows down in good weather. But most people dont. So I pray Toyota sells the shyt out of these so Nissan and Mazda doesnt hesitate to make competitors. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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08-15-2019, 11:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22899	Yeah, I think a lot of people coming from the JDM and Toyota fanbase have no idea about the lineage of the B58, and I'll admit I'm not that familiar myself, apart from it stemming from a long development of the N55, maybe just going sideways with VANOS. Of course it would've been nice to see Toyota show their hand at a performance engine again, but this can't be called a write-off just yet. That aftermarket manual is something of a game-changer — with depreciated Supra. Not to beat a dead-horse, but Supra at MSRP + this $12k, in the face of what the C8 offers for the money...still a weird one to swallow imo.

08-16-2019, 09:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
boosted180sx Base Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: CA Posts: 11 Drives: 19 Nismo, 17 CTR Rep Power: 8	these things has already hit 10s in spoiler cause pics are kinda big .. ( Click to show/hide )

08-17-2019, 11:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22899	It's honestly great that the Supra is showing out to be better than assumed. So far it's surviving anything being thrown at it (albeit in just this short month or so). Still a weird place to be. If you had to make the most out of your money, still can't be sure if this has made its case. Yet at the same time, the C8 has a major lead time, and literally no driving reviews to date preceding the possible first year flaws, so there is the case that some people are willing to bite on the Supra for being accessible while it keeps showing more promise to hold itself together.

08-19-2019, 10:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22899	Mr. Spaghetti says not many people are interested in his new meatball https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WMmm2X6NE reality is, I don't think anyone's looking to spend premium rental money on a Supra. I could be interested at the right price. Honestly it kinda sucks to just see it sit there.

08-19-2019, 10:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22899	Oh, and Jackie has been somewhat solid with documenting tracking the car. A little annoying to hear him have to narrate/react to every little thing, but he can drive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez9XmtWXjGg

08-22-2019, 11:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22899	Supra with a 1:23.10 at the Top Gear Test Track https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/top-gear-track No, not the 'ring, but interesting where that stands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjTB7Po38Jw

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