2020 Supra... first thoughts

ZCanadian

A 3-pedal manual is neither necessary nor sufficient IMO in rating the car a “sports” one. But the availability of one does put a tick on the “pro” side of the ledger.

A DCT is just the 21st century equivalent of the 3-pedal arrangemet. It is still a manual box, but faster shifting and adds some possibility for automated function and includes electronic overrides to protect engine and transmission. Deals better with today’s torque figures, too.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with an automatic, and ZF is a benchmark manufacturer. But it puts more layers between the driver and their control/feel of the car.

sunkist350z

Body kit renderings for the new supra make it more aggressive and more like the FT-1 concept.

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/20...job-well-sort/

Volk Z

Bottom rear pic right away reminded me of the rx8... ugh
I love the new supra look but that was my first thought.

It's going to be a decent car for sure. I can see a manual coming out and Toyota really pushing the car. Tuners will find ways to make it a beast and reliable...

I remember my350z.com bashing the 370z and now tables turn.

The biggest issue I have was not having a Toyota motor and lack of manual options which may come soon enough as Europe will get a 3rd pedal. So the transmission is built.

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Felix 808

Saw one spiderwebed up today going down the road. (I work near where a lot of test vehicles come out to play & where they come off the boat) looked a little bit like an Alpha 4C at a glance head on, but was no doubt the Supra when I saw the rear spoiler.

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sunkist350z

I don't know why people are saying that the new Supra looks like an rx8? It looks nothing like an rx8, looks more like a mini viper coupe gts.

ZCanadian

Nah, in stock form it looks like a BMW Z4 with a hard top, funny grille, and fake vents. Which isn't really a coincidence.

The body kit linked on the prior page is definitely Viper-inspired, and is a major improvement in the looks department.



RX8 - I think it might be the long hood. I saw it too, a bit, but it doesn't scream 16-year-old Wankel Mazda.

Felix 808

The one I saw looked like this, minus the Euro plate & and add the anti-spy wrap Didn't catch what the wheels looked like.

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Zerafian

It does look nice when you mangle the stock body(cut up the stock fenders) to add a widebody or fender flares. You gotta really commit to owning one to drop the value that much and destroy the shell, just to make the car look nice.

whats funny is, it just helps the car look more like the FT1 concept we all wanted.

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Volk Z

I said the pic with the wide body kit flares my initial thought reminded me of an rx8. I never thought it looked like an rx8. It was like the roarshack cards and someone says what does this remind you of and you say butterfly when in fact it's just an ink blot... it was merely my first thought of the wide body kit pic.... NOT the regular supra

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Nixin

At least this thread is more interesting than the Kia Stinger thread.

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RicerX

So... if TRD gets into a collaboration with Gazoo Racing... could we have...

a GRANDTRD SUPRA?!?! A.... grand... turd... ?! GET IT GUYZ?!

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RicerX

On a serious note, I'll weigh in on this thing. I may have before in another thread, but EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT... so here goes part 1 of 2.

Today's sports car revivals/revisions are damned if you do, damned if you don't. The Supra was damned from the start - after all this anticipation, all this buildup, all this unreasonably incessant speculation, they could have released a Bugatti Veyron killer for $100k and you're still going to end up with a large subset of Supra hipsters going "elbows too pointy, would not bang."

The powerplant choice was doomed from the start. You could have shoved in the RCF V8 (which would have been my pick - solid power and Toyota reliability, plus NA - less complexity) and had all the straight-6 fanboys pissed off. So what do they do? Put in a turbo straight-6... piss everyone off anyway.

The highest performing sports/super cars now use dual clutch or high-performing torque converter automatics. The fastest Camaros are 10 speed autos, the GT-R is a dual clutch, the M cars all dropped manuals except for the M4, and the take rates for those that offer manuals are so small the business case for even spending the R&D money to make it an option doesn't make any damn sense on any damn level except the emotional one. Emotions aren't good for business unless the business is emotion. So anyway, what does Toyota do? Offer a Supra, but it's gotta come with an automatic. Manual purists are mad.

There are so many things they could have done/could not have done that there is just no way to even know if reviving the Supra could have ever been a grand slam home run. Even if they remade the 1998 exactly as it was built in 1998, you'd have a subset of people that would be like "dude do something new - it's not competitive".

Gotta give it to Toyota for trying to throw an entry into a segment with the most difficult and stubborn buyers in the world. They release a cheap, lightweight, affordable 2 seater in the GT86, and people are like "has Prius wheels" and "not enough power". So they make a new car without prius wheels and twice the power. "It's not a toyota", "has BMW interior", "not enough power". The next one (if there is one) will have double the power, but cost more. "too expensive" "I can get a used 1989 Ferrari Testarossa for that"

We have no one to blame but ourselves for the state of the sports car segment. And hipsters. Always blame hipsters.

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DLSTR

POST OF THE MOMENT!! Some hipster will come along and do better LOL. Just give it time

Spot-fkn-on in all seriousness!

Zingston

Supra hipsters going "elbows too pointy, would not bang."


I'm dying over here!!!!