2018 Toyota Supra

FL 4Motion

Hence why I said it’s saving grace is factory fi. But, it will not be cheap to add 200 reliable hp to this bmw engine, this isn’t the ea855 evo 2 in the new rs3/tt rs. 100 to maybe 150 hp easily and safely will be the max.

Ps- fyi jb1/jb4’s are piggybacks that tap into ecu readings and manipulate data, they work well and generally safe if you’re not an idiot but not same as bench flash or custom dyno tuning. BMW ecus are notoriously hard to crack. Since this is a new car, I bet bmw upped their encryption game yet again.

UNKNOWN_370

Good points but.... How do we know that the ecu is coming from BMW though. Reports state they will be very different cars. Whose to say the only things in common will be the block and transmission? I say that because as much as I'm not a fan of Toyota products. They don't build ANYTHING unreliable. I would hope they would want to make a great tuner car.

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FPenvy

Agreed. But I will have to say with the power plant being a bmw engine then I would assume it would be a bmw ecu. Wouldn’t make sense otherwise. Also could be wrong just my thought on that.

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FL 4Motion

I hope you’re right, I would assume a ‘yota ecu will be easier to crack than a bmw.

My thinking exactly. One ray of hope here is that top gear article said the Toyota folks were really embracing the aftermarket tuners and encouraging them to make parts etc.

My attitude toward this car is evolving. I was pretty meh but after reading that story and seeing the lightly camoed pics, I think this is going to be a good car, but only if it’s not priced over 55k for the top of the line trim. Once you break that mark, only die hard Supra nutswingers would choose this over the alternatives out there. The wild card would be driving dynamics of course. If that is dialed in really well then it could succeed in the market even against “cheaper” powerful options like a Camaro etc

UNKNOWN_370

https://youtu.be/QY9lZhy9v9Q

Here's a YouTube commentary on the supra. I found it interesting... It even states that the Toyota engineering guy strongly suggests buying a 4 cylinder and doing a 2jz swap. It's really sad. I don't think the supra will be a bad car. On the contrary. I believe it will be a car that will probably eclipse an M2 in performance. But I don't think it will feel like a supra. I dunno? I have mixed feelings

Oh I also agree that all the current Toyota performance cars are completely unmemorable. This generation belonged to muscle. Nobody built anything that was worth not just buying the hyper capable muscle that recently came out. A 60k zl1 is a gt3 rival and a demon is just ridiculous. Going into a new generation. The supra is not a good start for JDM. The q60 has the. What the supra engine shoulda been. The supra is the chassis the q60 shoulda had. What will the Z be?

New GTR Will probably be too high prices to care for most.

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Zerafian

^^you are the forum equalizer. I tend to lean towards a lot of what you are saying.Then I leave the thread and say "what a second!?"


I feel the same way about the Supra as the guy at 1:38 in.

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BlackZeda

The only thing I got out of that video is the desire to punch the guy in the face.

I am not sure if it is the same engine and transmission, but I thought the smoothness and quickness of the BMW M240i was fantastic. If they put something like that in the Supra I am very interested. A stock turbo Toyota/BMW Z? Yes please!