I will have to wait and see it in person before I make judgment.

Not a bad looking 'concept' IMHO. I will call it that as the renderings do not inspire me to believe that this is the way the final production vehicle will look. There is many Z inspired shapes, etc. I concur withGod-Speed, I will have to wait to see it in person.

I like it, just wish or hope they make a manual.

Manual transmission only for right hand drive are in the works, I guess they think we Americans are fat and lazy lol

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/09/to...drive-markets/

manual is useless anymore except for theft deterrent lol

also, i see at the bottom they mention the 4 banger modek with 240hp.......why?

thats a waste of money if you buy it, a waste of toyotas money to make it, and a waste of my time to have to ponder the fact that oh ok for the FRS/BRZ crowd who want to step their game up......but still under 250hp. :shakes head:

You can get some decent looks at it in this video

Looks like the Supra is getting the manual after all.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/26/...-transmission/

FFS, it's an sports car geared towards enthusiasts. Put a fuckin MT in it!!

Ridiculous that Toyota needs "market feedback" for that decision ... :shakes head: :gtfo2:

So, read that top gear article, good read btw.

They benchmarked the cayman. Sound familiar.?

Around 300-350 bhp, sound familiar?

Rear wheel drive with front midship platform, sound familiar?

Not meant to be a hard core track car, but aftermarket will fill in the blanks, sound familiar?

Presto is spot on, it’s the new Toyota 370z with updated materials/tech for 2018.

Want to know mod potential of the motor, go check out bmw 3 series forum and start researching burger tuning jb1 and jb4. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing btw, but its no 2jz.

This car to sell needs to be 370z priced, if it’s more, then your competing against Cameros, stangs, vettes, m2, tt rs etc and it’s not there performance wise. It very well could wind up like the z, a tweener car power to $$ wise but it’s saving grace vs the z is it’s factory fi.

The advantage this car has is TURBO. It will be cheap to get an extra 200hp. Where our Z takes $13k to get that kinda power.

On another note... It looks like the manual will be RHD only .. Go figure. But at the same time. It will make die hard purists go thru he'll to bring a manual Supra to the states from Japan.
Captialism at its best. Lol.

https://autoweek.com/article/rumormi...a-theres-catch

Yes, turbo tunig is cheaper and sometimes easier. And on occasion, dangerous.
Depends on ECU security these days, as to just how stealthy it can be done.
Having another platform sharing the engine, is a plus in that regard.

But it does show that maybe Nissan has been “crazy like a fox” with the 370Z.
When you think about it, front engine 2-seater with rear wheel drive, naturally aspirated 6 putting out 330Hp and available MT6 that is actually pretty readily affordable and pretty fine looking - that is is a combination that is damn hard to find these days. If only it had a better torque number, and maybe some minor tech and interior tweaks over the years...

I think many have been blinded to your words since it seems we all compare the Zs numbers to american cars like the Hemi, GT, or SS.

Hence why I said it’s saving grace is factory fi. But, it will not be cheap to add 200 reliable hp to this bmw engine, this isn’t the ea855 evo 2 in the new rs3/tt rs. 100 to maybe 150 hp easily and safely will be the max.

Ps- fyi jb1/jb4’s are piggybacks that tap into ecu readings and manipulate data, they work well and generally safe if you’re not an idiot but not same as bench flash or custom dyno tuning. BMW ecus are notoriously hard to crack. Since this is a new car, I bet bmw upped their encryption game yet again.

Ok, so they're saying the debut is January @ Detroit:

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/10/20...troit-january/

Good points but.... How do we know that the ecu is coming from BMW though. Reports state they will be very different cars. Whose to say the only things in common will be the block and transmission? I say that because as much as I'm not a fan of Toyota products. They don't build ANYTHING unreliable. I would hope they would want to make a great tuner car.

Agreed. But I will have to say with the power plant being a bmw engine then I would assume it would be a bmw ecu. Wouldn’t make sense otherwise. Also could be wrong just my thought on that.

I hope you’re right, I would assume a ‘yota ecu will be easier to crack than a bmw.

My thinking exactly. :tup: One ray of hope here is that top gear article said the Toyota folks were really embracing the aftermarket tuners and encouraging them to make parts etc.

My attitude toward this car is evolving. I was pretty meh but after reading that story and seeing the lightly camoed pics, I think this is going to be a good car, but only if it’s not priced over 55k for the top of the line trim. Once you break that mark, only die hard Supra nutswingers would choose this over the alternatives out there. The wild card would be driving dynamics of course. If that is dialed in really well then it could succeed in the market even against “cheaper” powerful options like a Camaro etc

https://youtu.be/QY9lZhy9v9Q

Here's a YouTube commentary on the supra. I found it interesting... It even states that the Toyota engineering guy strongly suggests buying a 4 cylinder and doing a 2jz swap. It's really sad. I don't think the supra will be a bad car. On the contrary. I believe it will be a car that will probably eclipse an M2 in performance. But I don't think it will feel like a supra. I dunno? I have mixed feelings

Oh I also agree that all the current Toyota performance cars are completely unmemorable. This generation belonged to muscle. Nobody built anything that was worth not just buying the hyper capable muscle that recently came out. A 60k zl1 is a gt3 rival and a demon is just ridiculous. Going into a new generation. The supra is not a good start for JDM. The q60 has the. What the supra engine shoulda been. The supra is the chassis the q60 shoulda had. What will the Z be?

New GTR Will probably be too high prices to care for most.

^^you are the forum equalizer. I tend to lean towards a lot of what you are saying.Then I leave the thread and say "what a second!?"


I feel the same way about the Supra as the guy at 1:38 in.

The only thing I got out of that video is the desire to punch the guy in the face.

I am not sure if it is the same engine and transmission, but I thought the smoothness and quickness of the BMW M240i was fantastic. If they put something like that in the Supra I am very interested. A stock turbo Toyota/BMW Z? Yes please!

All i can hope is that Toyota is departing from these current "spindlecoupes" that are dronetastically boring. The design was bold on the first 2 models and then it went throughout the model range. Now toyota is doing a budget interpretation of the spindle. I cringe when I see spindles now.

Every spindlecoupe by Lexus has been outperformed by a midpack muscle car. You gotta really care about luxury to spend another $30k for basically an interior.
When you get up to the LC500. I can give that car a pass cuz it's a luxury car that performs instead of vice versa like the RC lineup.

If Nissan could put the VR30 in a worthy chassis and move to dual clutch? Nissan would easily eclipse Toyota again and with the right weight balance and suspension? Could put themselves in the 1LE performance numbers or possibly beyond with a 60hp deficit. This is the way Nissan did shyt in 2008. But this time. Nissan has the advantage of staying performance competitive against muscle for SEVERAL YEARS if they choose? They gotta evade this EV mindset for a smidge. Geez

This said... If the new mid engined corvette is going to start in the mid 60's as many are speculating with 500hp??? I mean. At that price. The Cayman would be irrelevant and all the competitors will once again struggle??? Chevy will officially reclaim its mid 1960's status as straight legendary. It will be the Corvette and everything else behind it. A GTR would be it's closest competitor. If the GTR will be the 700hp+ beast it's supposed to be? I imagine it will start at double the price of a vette?

Next generation is gonna be crazy. Toyota giving you 382hp for $63,000 in 2020 sounds like a fail. Especially if Nissan comes with a Nismo Z with 500hp in the 60k range which I think will be very possible? But we'll have to see?

https://autoweek.com/article/car-new...festival-speed

Yawn.

In related news, the new BMW 3-series looks like a Camry :roflpuke2:

All I know is... I'm pretty sure Toyota wrote out a BIG CHECK for this review. The 370z is leagues ahead of an 86. No reviewer will be able to convince me otherwise.
Yes the 370z is a lil more clutsy in mid rotation. That's the ONLY DRAWBACK! Otherwise the 86 is inferior

https://youtu.be/JUhLXvxlQR4

So drive the Supra before depending on upcoming hype.
Toyota has that BMW checkbook to sway minds.

Displayed at SEMA.
This isn't new, but they are at least running with it until a production car is revealed.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0c0474f9e6.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...019e248ff7.jpg

Normally when an iconic vehicle comes back - there is a lot of fanfare and a lot of 'can't wait to see how it performs'; but it seems like the Supra is receiving the opposite. We as a group seem to go back and forth as to whether or not a new Nismo is worth the price and those go for around $45k - add another $15-18k and it seems like we are in the new Supra range with similar HP numbers as the Z. I don't know if that price difference will make it that much better than the Nissan performance numbers.

While I am curious about the Supra - I wonder how much the 'upcharge' will be once it starts to hit dealers. Add in the fact that it seems to be nothing more than a Toyota shell with a BMW chassis and engine - I don't know if I would be hyped to pay that much just to say I have a Supra. Just my .02.

The one thing that makes us go back and forth on the Z and pricing is that once you hit a certain mark - lets say the $45-50k range - it opens up a lot of options that are superior to the Z. When considering the Supra (if the $60k is what we can expect) - your options are even greater. Add in no manual option and the fact that we will be facing an upcharge on it and the cost of tuning - I think I would pass on it to see if it's still around after 4years. Just my .02. *shrugs*

I will look for the car here in as it arrives and hope for a test. I have connections in the business here in many marques. I will hope to see how it compares to my M2. You are correct on many levels about how this is potentially coming along.

I do feel when it hits the market and the street we will forget the long wait and grow very very curious and quickly and be happy overall. We do not need another SUV/box to read about or a truck lol :tup: :driving:

DLSTR
If you get the opportunity to test drive it - I can’t wait to hear how it does compare to the Z as well as your impression of it compared to the Z.

I feel most of us will experience the ‘you can look but you can’t touch unless you are willing to buy it’. My experience at the local VW dealership when I wanted to check out a 2018 Golf R - was ‘well, we can’t let you test drive it unless we can agree on the numbers and financing’. Needless to say - that was a quick visit haha (the sales guy was willing to let me drive a GTI though ;) )

Another dealership when I was curious as to the OTD price of the 2018 Civic Type-R was $12.5k above MSRP bc....’market adjustment was determined by them’. When I told them another dealer in Houston offered me OTD at a little over $40k - they came down on their price.....by then I was just soured on the whole experience and told them I would pass. Side note - I am curious and thinking about trading in my Z for a Civic Type-R - 4 seats and still maintaining a fun factor seems appealing to me.

I agree with the last few posts and DLSTR. Yes you must put us on if you gst dibs on a Supra.

On another note... The civic upcharge is laughable. I'd get a VW or Focus RS at that money. Honda done lost their mind. Especially since they deviated from the v-Tec.

I remember you couldn't test drive the FRS... You had to buy it. It took me a year and a used model to get a test drive. When I finally drove the FRS. It was hysterical to me that anyone would have been upcharge with that thing. The only advantage that car has is its not front heavy, so u can dive in a farmer at a higher rate of speed than a Z. But once out of the corner. Revving up to speed is a bytch. It CORNERING zaps the life out the engine if you're trying to compete. Now I'm not expecting that from the Supra. But a this gen Nismo and supra compare will be needed. I don't think the difference will be much except I believe the Supra won't be so front heavy. But I think responsiveness will be better in the Z.

in case everyone is not checking the interwebs today.

the supra production car has been leaked. someone is getting fired lol

2020 Toyota Supra Photos Leaked Way Before You're Supposed to See Them - The Drive

Soooo a GT86 with better styling and a real engine.

*puts 370Z up for sale*

Like what I see so far, but will need to see it in person!! :tup:

I posted a new thread on Z vs M2 vs Type R. You may want to take a look at it. I feel your thought definitely has merit, if you need or want 4 seats.

Yeah, not a bad design from what I can see. But if the power spec assumptions being mentioned are anywhere close to being true, I'm just not feeling that mid 50s + price tag... at all. :shakes head:

:iagree::iagree:

There is a picture of the actual new Supra without any camo sitting in a car trailer with most of the front end uncovered. I found it on the Supra MKV site but its out there.

i have the link about 6 posts above.

It's kinda funky lookin. Gotta see it in person. I still don't know if I'd buy. 335hp at $60k seems od. U can get a mid engined cayman for the same money with an optional manual.

Negative..... A fluffy GT86 with an oil burning gas engine.

Do we know what engine it is?