I think it depends on how easy it is to extract power from the new engine. That's why the old Supras became so popular. The stock car wasn't much better than 300zxs or 3000GTs from the same time, they just made loads of power easily with bolt-ons.

I guess we are getting closer on seeing the final production supra, from this picture we can get a good I idea on how it looks, even though it is slightly camo.

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/07/ne...estival-speed/

Good find! Goodwood starts next Thursday, so by the weekend we may see some real photos and impressions posted.

Looking forward to seeing the real car instead of all the speculation and empty promises that the internet is full of. Maybe a date and pricing, too.

I'm praying Nissan does one of their out of left releases and premiers a Z35... Just when Toyota thinks they gonna run the show. These new VC turbos might fair very interesting in a sports application.

Would love that too but the closest thing to a Z35 is on a napkin, long tossed away.

I think they made a typo on the new Supra weight as it states 2,300 pounds lol This will be a rocket ship if its true lol

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/07/20...ebut-goodwood/

Sorry to be a bubble burster again but in this clip of it running the hill at Goodwood
https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/event-...s-world-debut/
The announcers say "around 1500Kg", which makes it 3,300 lbs.

Ouch!

It does sound nice, though!

Didn't think so lol it would be Mazda mx-5 miata light.

Still need to wait until we can see it in person!!!! :tup:

If it's a project with BMW, they have my attention. The 335i's were beasts with barely any work. If they pair that with GT86 goodness... fairwell Z.

Could go either way.
Toyota reliability with BMW performance would be great.
But the opposite is also possible.
:rofl2:

I see the Supra as a Toyota (BMW) M2 in a sports car configuration.

If that's what it's gonna be? It's worth looking into getting one. I'm a hate trying to buy a Supra. Remember the FRS? YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED TO TEST DRIVE ONE THE FIRST YEAR. You hadda believe the hype and bullshyt n buy one to learn it was a slowmobile on prius tires so the tail can get happy due to the LACK of POWER.

It took 2 years to know the FRS was gahbige. Let the suckers buy the Supra first if they're not offering test drives.

In the words of public enemy, Don't Believe the Hype (at least instantly)

I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst.

Looks like a 4 cylinder with 265hp will be the base supra, I wonder how much more it will be priced then the gt86?

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/07/20...r-engine-well/

Supra claims to benchmark the Cayman. Hmmm Nissan got to 9/10ths with the Z. Let's see

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...view-goodwood/

Definitely see design cues from the FT1 peaking through the camo. If only.

That means it will be a 370Z competitor, not a GTR competitor. I feel bad for the Supra fans. It's also a German knockoff. What a shame.

IMHO, the 10 year old 370Z looks better than this new Supra.

I started looking into this, with the price, power, and weight. Unless they do something really spectacular it's not looking too interesting, and definitely not ground breaking. For competitors you have to look at the same type of car that being a "Coupe" and of similar money withing a +-10% range "57-63-69k". That being said:
Audi TT RS
Merc E100 Coupe
Chevy Corvette
Shelby GT350
Jaguar F-Type
Camaro ZL1
Cadilac ATS-V Coupe
Dodge Challenger Hellcat
Lexus RC F
BMW M4
Alfa 4C

If it's a no frills non luxury car your basically competing with American cars. And they are turning out to be decent handling cars too and start at 400hp/tq range.

Also doesn't look like the supra will be offered in manual, while at least half of the ones you listed offer manual.

Realistically it sounds like a 60k bmw Z4 with a supra badge on it, one of the pictures the shifter even looks like a straight bmw shifter.

I am going to hold final judgement for now, but so far it seems like the car is being catered to the nameplate generation.

The original Supra was known for it's engine. This was a moment Toyota couldve returned to its glory with an in house turbo 6. They passed on that.

Then they had a chance to hit the 3,000lb mark us at Nissan were pining for... they passed on that too. Price is going to play a huge part with those failures. Judging by 86 prices... I'm expecting a bloated sticker.

This car is going to be a bust unless you're such a fanboy that you buy one only to drop a 2JZ into it.

It's official. Toyota has lost it's way.

Sadly that’s not really news

Last Supra stacked up better against the 911. They pussed out and just defamed the Supra name by coming out with a lesser car. Ie every gtr generation has surpassed the performance of the last, even the z has too. Toyota went in the opposite direction, shoulda stayed dead imo.

Nissan needs to drop engine from q60 red sport in fm platform used in new q cars, development would cheap and they’d kill the Supra.

Every car on your list is a better buy than the new Supra imo. I think Toyota is trying not to compete against themselves (Lexus) and it hamstrung them.

Yeah, but so have a number of other mfgs. "The Nissan Motorsports (Nismo) Leaf"
:facepalm:

Waiting on the Prius Type R

For the first time in 40 years, the American market is killing the comp. Power and handling.

A 40,000 camaro SS competes against an M4
A $90,000 vette competes with Ferrari.
An ATS outhandles all the Germans.
A mustang is the current GOAT in Europe. A damn mustang.

It's hard to believe America went fro. Zero to 100 so quickly.

Our interiors still lag behind a little. But the vette and camaro equipped with MRC are considered to have the best suspensions in ANY price range out to exotics.. That's just something that I didn't expect from America. We know we can make an engine! But this suspension came out of left like a bitch slap to the auto market. Chevy stole the handling crown from the Germans n Japanese. So I'm waiting to see if a supra can attack a vette in handling? Lol. It should be the other way around.

:iagree:
I'm glad Nissan still makes a Z and GTR. But they are a rabid disappointment. They make a mockery of the nismo name with leaf and sentra.

They destroyed the juke power plant in the kicks like a bunch of Toyota Honda geeks

They're gonna end up like Toyota/Lexus.
Putting out bloated sports cars with kooky design like the RCF. I don't think the GTR will lack. But it will be overpriced.

"THE GT86 IS ALMOST PERFECT BUT TOO SLOW GIVE MORE FAST"

*makes faster car*

"TOYOTA HAS LOST ITS WAY"

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At this point, toyota should have stripped 60 lbs out the car. Then added 90 in a turbo system. And the 86 would sell more if the flappy paddle car wasnt emotionless. Too many good paddle shifted cars to waste .cash on a automatic 86. Toyota is doing it wrong. The should borrow the dct Acura has in the tlx.

I drove a top of the line Veloster Turbo last weekend, had DCT and i was BLOWN away. Its wrong wheel drive but its SO good its ALMOST like you dont notice that problem.

Power for the new Supra is very much aligned with the previous generations - Leistung (220 PS) bei 6000 min
(330 PS) bei 5600 min = last generation power as factory reported.

I dunno, maybe its just me but unless Toyota has something tricky planned for this new Supra I dont see this as too exciting. With almost all Z iterations something REVOLUTIONARY has come from it whether it just be price/performance, something no other or a very select few manufacturers (if that) could answer to. Im sure itll look ok, drive really well and all. Quick too! However....so what, cuz at my guess of starting 50 large im of the "meh" opinion.

I dunno, but I'm not convinced that the BMW involvement is a good thing as far as excitement and reliability is concerned. I mean the only reason Toyota went with the BMW partnership was to save development costs. That does not sound like the same Toyota that developed the revolutionary Lexus LFA. I don't even know why they couldn't of just used some of their Lexus know-how to come up with something uniquely Toyota? Anyways, we'll soon see what all the fuss is about once the new Supra hits the streets. I just hope it'll be more Toyota than BMW. But it does not look that way.

It does not matter about the issue of co-development via BMW. The car will not be sold in great numbers in some markets. Given the taste of boxes people have now vs cars, the liability will be first on Toyota with respect to warranty claims on all the parts BMW or not. Its being sold as a Toyota.

There will be arrangements for cost recovery for specific BMW parts that one will not hear about overtly. Risk sharing is the norm given total developments costs that are quite high now to bring something to market.

Toyota is saying it may be the last combustion sports car they build? So that in itself may be an incentive for people to buy.

Not really - not as long as there are other, better internal combustion engine sports cars on the market for the same or less money.

Guess we'll need to see how things play out with this baby.

You have a good point. Toyota may be writing itself out of a soon to be emerging market. These millenials n gen yz'ers. They're effing up the enthusiast market.

Or Toyota is just adding this for marketing.
Now: "get one before they're gone forever".
Later: "kidding".

:-)