Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91 (Post 3772100)

I started looking into this, with the price, power, and weight. Unless they do something really spectacular it's not looking too interesting, and definitely not ground breaking. For competitors you have to look at the same type of car that being a "Coupe" and of similar money withing a +-10% range "57-63-69k". That being said:
Audi TT RS
Merc E100 Coupe
Chevy Corvette
Shelby GT350
Jaguar F-Type
Camaro ZL1
Cadilac ATS-V Coupe
Dodge Challenger Hellcat
Lexus RC F
BMW M4
Alfa 4C

If it's a no frills non luxury car your basically competing with American cars. And they are turning out to be decent handling cars too and start at 400hp/tq range.

Originally Posted by markesc (Post 3774588)

Don't start looking at the TTRS with stage 1 apr tune... :rofl2: or a ZL-1 Camaro

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3775261)

Eat sleep drive laid out some reasons to be positive about the supra. He's got some valid points on glass half full note.

https://youtu.be/m5cbBq5RYA0

Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3775497)

Most frequent discussion on 370Z forum: Toyota Supra.

Nissan, you fail.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3775499)

yea we're here discussing a weird/ugly Toyota powered by a meh BMW engine.

all that said we have nothing to discus for nissan unless it's the GTR-50 which 90% of people i've spoke to do not like.

Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3775501)

The GT-R50 was the answer to a question no one was asking and the reaction is appropriate - confusion.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3775508)

agreed. interesting idea but outrageous price.

as for the supra.........i dont get it. you had one of the most badass sports cars looks wise paired with one of the greatest engines of all time.

annnnnd now you make an awful looking car paired with a blah engine. just makes me lose more hope for modern cars. now, no one has seen the actual car yet based on camo and whatnot so the looks could swing. the engine....still not great.

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 3776122)

There’s a list a couple pages back of some very good/excellent modern cars, it just happens that NONE of them are nissans or yotas. And definitely not this new Supra.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3776165)

depends on the parameters. i know of 2 good nissans :stirthepot:

but i am curious to see what the 2 door alfa will do when it's released.

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 3776526)

I am a fan of both the z and the gtr. :tup: your stable of cars encompasses the only cars Nissan makes that are worth owning, but they are long in the tooth. At this point Nissan might as well be making resto mod 240z’s they’ve been producing the 370 so long. The gtr isn’t far behind but at least they’ve continually improved it, but it’s showing it’s age.

Agreed on th Alfa. The gulia quadrofolio is awesome, so I have high hopes.

Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3776976)

I'm in full agreement - the best stuff Nissan builds is the oldest stuff. Z, Frontier, GT-R.

I'm to the point where I'm happy to have them continue producing them as-is. They're more likely to completely **** it up than improve it.

Look at the Nissan Kicks? As if you didn't think a Juke could possibly get any worse, Nissan is like "hold my pumpkin spice latte."

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 3777473)

Nissan is committed to not building cars but rather appliances. They are a mobility co. at this point, not a car company as we enthusiasts would define it. Obviously toaster ovens on wheels with all the latest tech bullsh1t is what will keep auto companies viable, but look at the company’s that still love cars in their dna, they are making killer cars right now.

The following auto manufacturers who still haven’t voluntarily castrated themselves as follows:

Audi: expanding RS models for each vehicle in their lineup, and bringing them here. Company backed racing teams and support private teams as well.

Chevy: company backed racing etc, Z-L1, vette, etc.

Mercedes: AMG, nuff said.

Ford: barely, but still at least committed to mustang. Raptor also.

Dodge: these fvcking guys, basically gave a big fvck you to everyone with the demon, one trick pony but god bless them for making it. :tup: the wrangler too.

Porsche: :tup: no explanation needed.

Mazda: again barely but the Miata is the most raced/tracked car in the world and they always improve it every generation.

Honda: not really, but the type r deserves an honorable mention.

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 3777473)

Nissan is committed to not building cars but rather appliances. They are a mobility co. at this point, not a car company as we enthusiasts would define it. Obviously toaster ovens on wheels with all the latest tech bullsh1t is what will keep auto companies viable, but look at the company’s that still love cars in their dna, they are making killer cars right now.

The following auto manufacturers who still haven’t voluntarily castrated themselves as follows:

Audi: expanding RS models for each vehicle in their lineup, and bringing them here. Company backed racing teams and support private teams as well.

Chevy: company backed racing etc, Z-L1, vette, etc.

Mercedes: AMG, nuff said.

Ford: barely, but still at least committed to mustang. Raptor also.

Dodge: these fvcking guys, basically gave a big fvck you to everyone with the demon, one trick pony but god bless them for making it. :tup: the wrangler too.

Porsche: :tup: no explanation needed.

Mazda: again barely but the Miata is the most raced/tracked car in the world and they always improve it every generation.

Honda: not really, but the type r deserves an honorable mention.

Originally Posted by zeeder (Post 3777515)

What about Ferrari and McLaren?

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 3777473)

Nissan is committed to not building cars but rather appliances. They are a mobility co. at this point, not a car company as we enthusiasts would define it. Obviously toaster ovens on wheels with all the latest tech bullsh1t is what will keep auto companies viable, but look at the company’s that still love cars in their dna, they are making killer cars right now.

The following auto manufacturers who still haven’t voluntarily castrated themselves as follows:

Audi: expanding RS models for each vehicle in their lineup, and bringing them here. Company backed racing teams and support private teams as well.
R8, even if expensive


Chevy: company backed racing etc, Z-L1, vette, etc. The Camaro SS is a pretty damn solid car for the money.

Mercedes: AMG, nuff said.

Ford: barely, but still at least committed to mustang. GT-350? and soon to come GT-500 Raptor also. The GT itself is pretty nuts.

Dodge: these fvcking guys, basically gave a big fvck you to everyone with the demon, one trick pony but god bless them for making it. :tup: the wrangler too.

Porsche: :tup: no explanation needed.

Mazda: again barely but the Miata is the most raced/tracked car in the world and they always improve it every generation.

Honda: not really, but the type r deserves an honorable mention. As does the NSX.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3786796)

$MALLER than a 86... Lower COG than a 86 with more power? U got my ATTENTION!!!

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...-drive-review/

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3786796)

$MALLER than a 86... Lower COG than a 86 with more power? U got my ATTENTION!!!

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...-drive-review/

Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3786855)

Let's be honest - if you manage to create a sports car with less power than an 86, you have to put a Miata badge on it!

Power and size are great. now what about the weight and handling? If they cheap out on the suspension - because: Toyota - then forget the entire project in my view.

The issue is whether or not they have a clear vision and stick to it.
If marketing wants it to be all things to all people, then it won't appeal to the true enthusiast anymore.
18-way seats with a scrotum-warmer, electronic nannies out the wazoo, and a big screen surround sound entertainment system are for minivans and urban warfare vehicles.
Anything more than a cupholder and I'm out!

https://i.imgur.com/NXHbZ.jpg

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3786867)

lets cut through the non-sense..........

toyota made a 370Z........10 years too late.


335hp V6 - 3300/3500lbs - RWD.


simple as that. doesnt seem very special.

Originally Posted by sunkist350z (Post 3786868)

Cant judge this car until final form production release.

Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 3786878)

Nice review here from TopGear. Better and more fun to read than the other's Ive seen today - https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/...19/first-drive

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3786867)

lets cut through the non-sense..........

toyota made a 370Z........10 years too late.


335hp V6 - 3300/3500lbs - RWD.


simple as that. doesnt seem very special.

Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3786939)

A lot will depend on weight. And torque. Both are not 370Z strong points, and I expect that with turbo tuning possibilities the torque will be ample and come on early in the rev band with the new Toyota.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3786857)

ummmm personally.....i like the sound of a scrotum warmer.

:wtf2:

Originally Posted by dts3 (Post 3787141)

:iagree:
Seriously... sign me up

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3787110)

torque is not a strong point. not sure if i can agree the weight is bad. Z curb weight is 3300 which is right where the supra is probably going to be at soooo they're equal.

actually i think my Z the curb weight is 3232 if i remember correctly.

Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3787190)

Guess I'm just spoiled as my 2015 sports car's curb weight is 2,445 lbs (including air con, air bags, leather seats and dash, floor mats - this isn't a stripped out car by any means).

That's where I'm coming from with regard to the 370Z being a bit of a porker at 800 lbs more! True, mine also cost more like the Supra's expected list, not the Z's.

IF the Supra comes in at the same weight but significantly more torque (especially from 2,500RPM), OR at significantly lower weight with similar torque but more available across the rev band, then I think it would be the better car. Maybe not "10 years" better. If it lands with both, then it might be worth the price tag suggested in that article.

Time will tell.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3787199)

a miata isn't a sports car........:bowrofl:


torque will be there it's turbocharged. it actually better be there lol. also we all know it'll be there, the engine is already in production cars and this will probably be slightly bumped up from those.

so yes, more TQ and same weight makes it worthy of being a sports car however i reserve all rights to call it trash if it looks like shit.

the BRZ was trash. they have that looming above their heads.

Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3787232)

You definitely get the right to call it what it is, whatever that may be! :tup:

The 86 platform has its supporters, and it isn't bad. But it's not great either. It was another "sports car that has to be everything to everyone" that wound up not being a huge success. Surprise!

So, I agree with you - this one really has to hit the bullseye. From that article, it sounds like this is possible. But we'll see. I hated the reference to a possible low-power version coming out later. There's that "all things to all people" again. Maybe they'll put out a crossover edition, too. :stirthepot:

Some Miata... ;-)

Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3787911)

What do you guys think:

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/09/ne...tll-look-like/