I'm pretty sure the 86 does not out perform the Z in handling or braking.

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Losing traction controllably -- maybe.

I have lost count of the various examples of Z's and Twins I have driven, at the limit, at various venues. I am speaking (writing? ) from experience. The Twins' balance is more neutral than the Z's, and they transition their weight better.

Now, the Twins do come with what people at the track refer to as "Prius tires". (The same low- rolling -resistance tires used on the Prius) I think the tire choice was made to mask the car's low HP....They break away very easily compared to the tires found on most sports cars. The stock tires make for some rather underwhelming grip-related numbers in the car mags, but the balance is still there.

It looks like the base model Z comes with prius tires now too with a grip of only 0.90g. I seem to remember 0.96 or 0.98 being touted when I bought mine.

I'm speaking strictly in terms of performance metrics.

The "controllability" attribute I mentioned could be thought of as equivalent to "balance"; it's easier to get the twins to do what you want and easier to correct if it doesn't.

On the other hand, compare and contrast the twins with sticky tires to itself without and to two other small cars that are equally good or better in terms of balance (one being much more pricey, tho') on performance.

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Actually the factory-installed understeer that the Z has makes it easier to correct once a mistake is made. (This is with the nannies turned off on both cars of course)

But yes, the balance I refer to is the car's "bias" in response to inputs. The Z is more inclined to understeer than the Twins are.

Also, I have never driven a Z with tires as low-grip as the ones that come on the Twins. Now that I think about it, I can't think of any sports car I have driven with stock tires that slippery off the top of my head.

If I use the same tire on both cars, in each car's stock sizes, the Twins will hold more speed through transitions. Heck, it's not a stock vs stock comparison, but I have data showing my CS FRS holding more speed through turns than my STU 350Z. Thats 225 tires on the FRS and 275 tires on the 350Z with custom coilovers, and ideal alignment. Now, the STU Z completed the run in less time than the FRS, but it did so by digging out of tight corners quicker than the FRS....It was slower through the turns.

By any chance can you output data graphically that shows where one car is faster or slower on a given turn on the track you use?

That would be really interesting and informative for purposes of comparing and contrasting.

Something similar to this?

http://www.the370z.com/members/jordo...s-original.jpg

Every time I get a notification for this thread I'm hoping it has to do with an actual Z35 update, but nope..just everything other than the subject lol

I have a feeling that the z35 will only be automatic. I hope I am wrong.

I sincerely hope not. Even if it has a manual it will most likely be unchanged version of the current 6 speed transmission.

Say it's driving dynamics are better. Not outperforms. The Z is atmospheres faster than the twins on most tracks. Some tracks we may only be a lot faster. But most we're destroying the twins.

PERFORMANCE has to do with winning.
DYNAMICS has to do with what you're talking about.

Well I've finally made the final decision of upgrading to the 2018 Nismo when it drops. I'm not waiting for the Z35. If 2018, doesn't add a color or something to attract another year of sales... I will get a used 2016 or 2017. I'm praying they add a new color to the Nismo palette. Either. Gun metallic? Bring back that 40th color or magma red. When it comes to Nismo Z colors? Nissan gets it half wrong. There's an inner laziness with Nissan and the Z I can't stand. That's the real reason why they do not sell. They're so slow to do the simple things and never do the amazing things.

Anywho.... I found a 2016 Nismo with under 3,000 miles at an amazing price... I'm only interested in silver or black. So I'm going to post this amazing deal for anyone looking.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...rts&emc=alerts

Indeed...



In the interest of not further derailing the thread:
Z Vs FRS by Mike L | Photobucket
All but one of the samples display lowest speed for a given turn, the other is just a visual line-up of the same corner. The manual-overlay method is not frame-by-frame precise. (30fps GoPro vs 10hZ GPS, but all GPS data correctly correlates to their respective turns and minimum speed is still minimum speed for a turn)


I have a thread in the "other vehicles" section if you wish to do more bench racing:
http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...calpels-3.html

I don't know that "destroy" is applicable once both cars are on the same tires, but the 370Z is classed one class higher than the FRS for SCCA solo and the 350Z is in the same class as the Twins.

The mixture of power and handling that the Z has does seem to be faster in most situations. That's a valid argument. Handling is only a single part of the "winning" equation. The Twins generally give up more to the Z in acceleration, than the Z gives up in handling.

I have my eyes set on silver. I feel like they're MUCH harder to find though.
Curious to know why you're set on 18 YM and not just get a 16/17 right now..it's not like they're any different. Also, why aren't you waiting for z35?

I'm trying to wait for at least a z35 update before pulling the trigger, but it just keeps getting harder as each day goes by. I have a feeling the z35 won't be what I'm expecting and will confirm the purchase of a z34 for me.

On that note: Is it confirmed that the '18 Nismos will still have the cool new body kit?

I think I'm jumping ship for a 4c before the end of this year.

change the damn bug eye headlights to the ones on the Giulia and you have a phenomenal car

I agree. The Nismo would look great with new head lights. The bumerang design has not aged well in my opinion.

Cool new body kit? I'm not sure if I'm following - the latest nismo hasn't been changed since '15.
I'm simply going off the heritage edition BS model that's practically unchanged. I haven't heard anything about the other '18 models, but if that's the case for heritage edition I don't see why they would do anything to the nismo or any other model.

I believe he was referring to the 4C...I could be wrong though...

I loved the barbed headlights at first, but as time went on... meh. It looks outta place to me now.

I mean this one

http://www.the370z.com/members/jordo...mo-370z-04.jpg

Has it been like that since 2015? Time escapes me...

The 4c is bugeyed, but no worse than most porsches, and if they can deal with it on their car I'm sure I can deal with it on a fancy Fiat :D

I like the 'barbed' headlights on the Z. They are distinctive and they set the Z apart from other sporty vehicles. I believe that it is the round headlights that are outdated and quite passé.

We don't know what they may add in 2018 yet. Nissan hasn't made their annual press release. That said, believe it or not, Nissan always upgrades the Z. Most of it can't be seen. Whether different spring rates. Gear ratios or clutches, there's always something. Also, I'm hoping they possibly add a color to the palette and it may very well be the last model year? First and last are the best to have!!

All I know is.... straight line. It's dead....

https://youtu.be/SmQSxDpSBtw

Road course.... this Z driver is disgustingly bad in the Apexes and the FRS seems to be able to come in to the corner at a higher rate of speed. But he ain't really making a dent on the road course. 370z ends up in front of a 350 and the frs behind the 350.

https://youtu.be/l_9Q3chYAo0

Heritage edition doesn't come with the sport package.

The Heritage is good for Nissan to clear the stock of the base model parts and for people who want to mod the car anyway.
I thought it also comes in black? But no idea what decals you get.


If there is a real 2018 370Z, I would be surprised to see any noticeable changes.
But indeed, they changed minor things almost every year.
I would actually be surprised if they didn't pull the plug by the end of this year.

Of course it's "dead" in a straight line. Although its lack of wheel-hop nets 60ft times on par with the Z's at National Pro-Solo's.

And the other video shows that the RSX is faster than everything.:rofl2:

We can bench race here if you like:
http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...calpels-3.html

The Z vs Twins has derailed this thread too much already.

I know that guy of the 350z lol!!! #1 his 350z have a Twin Turbo setup and #2 he is not one of the best drivers around :wtf2:

never say that about another man. That can bring him to the brink of suicide.



You need to watch "13 Reasons Why".... bully

:happydance:

:icon18:

HAHHAHAHAHA!!! Sorry bro but I have to say it :bowrofl:

I have to start watching that series:wtf2:

So guys,

Essentialy we either have to wait for the Tokyo Auto show or Nissan 2018 press release to see whether or not they'll be continuing/updating the Z...is this correct?

I know the Tokyo Auto show is in Oct, but anyone know when the 2018 press release will be?

By my speculations, and this could be totally wrong, I'd say sometime in 2018. ;)

The press kit for the 2017 model was released on June, 14 2016.

I know because I downloaded it and ordered my car just after that. :)

So May got us the Heritage Edition and the TAS will maybe give more info about the new car or a silent end-of-life...

The 2018 press release will only state the updates to the current Z for the base Z, the 2018 press release came out. That's how we know about the heritage edition.

The nismo gets its own press release 2+ months later.

The Tokyo auto show is supposedly gonna show the Z concept. But this is show #3 that was claimed.

Thanks! Ok, if there's no indication by Oct I will have to bite the bullet :driving:

2018s are out for Canada. I know the trim levels are usually different from US versions, but Canadian models have changed their trims again which essentially gives you even more bang for the buck - check out this thread for more detailed info..

http://www.the370z.com/canada/122373...nissan-ca.html

I also noticed blacked out head lights which I love. On the other hand those new wheels look so tacky! I wonder what changes USDM will get...

I almost feel as though the price rarely decreases, but every year they just add more "standard features" which were once "options" depending on the trim level you purchased. I understand financially it's a great move, but I still think Nissan is being really weird lol
A lot of models from different manufacturers upgrade their models in a similar way for a few years before redesigning - I get that - but this has been the case for the Z for way too long.

More than likely, USDM will get the same.

The new 2018 Rays wheels are fugly!