Agree with both statements.

I think the 370z's side profile has the basic sexy lines that will always be instyle. Also some of the features of the 370 are very unique such as the wide fenders and no need to roll the fenders. It's like they wanted us to tune it! I feel like they built a 350z and then they decided to tune it. Bore out the engine, add wide fenders, make it stiffer and lower and lighter. If this is the last fully analog z with the biggest displacement, it will be remembered as being in the top 2 z of al time.

frrrraaaaaggggiiillleee....

Should make for some pretty fires on the 101 freeway though....

Given the fact that they are using the exact same chassis as the outgoing model, with a few modifications, I don't see any particular weight savings in that area. If the dual clutch transmission comes with an aluminum magnesium hybrid case, there could be some weight savings there.

And Nissan may concentrate on keeping the center of gravity low, but unless they do employe lightweight construction techniques elsewhere, it isn't going to be that much lighter than the current car. I'm sure there are additional safety devices implemented due to regulations from the department of transportation, there may be additional weight penalties as a result of those "safety" features. Plus you have to look at the market and see what the competitors are offering on their vehicles. We can operate in a vacuum and just assumed that every 370z owner are all diehard enthusiasts like us, but we represent a very small portion of the overall ownership of this vehicle.

Too much of the running gear is exactly the same as the outgoing model sans the engine which of course is all new. And we already know that is slightly heavier than the outgoing naturally aspirated model. I can't to see them using smaller wheels, lighter brakes, etc. although I do you have hopes that they will indeed reduce the weight of the rest of the driveline. It's just that Nissan has a habit of dropping old parts in new bodywork and you can see it across their entire line of cars. They did it to the new Q60. That car doesn't even have an LSD in the RS version.

But two years can bring a lot of development. It'll be a long wait.

Everyone keeps missing the point. Sales. Or lack there of. Even before the new corvette was released, GM knew it would sell a ton of them. The same can't be said about the Z. If sales numbers can't rival the corvette, don't expect to get corvette tech and engineering. Simple as that.

C6 sales were drastically low when they came out with the C7. They took a chance that they would sell them in droves DESPITE the market and thank God, they did. If Nissan putout an equally desirable product. They can seriously boost their sales. I know we can get back those 20,000 annual numbers with a class competitive car. But at the same time. I'd rather the Z remain as niche as it is.


It all boils down to a comment I made a week ago or longer.

Nissan is 80% made up of bread and butter cars. The Z should be less about the numbers and more about the heritage. If they built it for the passion? IT WILL SELL.

Carlos Ghosn is the worst thing that happened to the sports car aspect of Nissan. He's a liberal Greenpeace pansy who wants to build Prius competitors, not sports cars.

If Nissan had true enthusiasts high up like GM does? Your comment would have not a shred of relevance. It's only relevant based on who runs things. Not Nissan's overall potential to sell Z's in high numbers with the right people runnin shyt. The Z34 sold over 30,000 cars in the first 3 years and then things died off. I blame them taking long to rectify, issues and not making enough annual improvements while rivals made dramatic strides annually. Nissan would have sold more Z's if they would have fixed CSC year one, addressed cabin tech during the refresh year. Adding a worthy oil cooler and doing it mid year one as it was the first complaint. Would have tuned the base engine to 350 and tweaked 370hp out the Nismo. Updated materials during the extension years 7 and 8.

If you want people to care about your product. You have to act like you care about your product.

Nissan sold way less leafs but made drastic improvements every year to improve EV. They CHOSE to neglect the Z.

C6 sales were down at the end of their production run... As car sales always are down at the end of their life cycle. They still sold plenty C6s overall, giving them plenty of reason to build a follow up. They certainly didn't have to make it as good as it is- that's where I can see eye to eye with your assertion of the GM higher ups being true car guys. Personally, I've seen plenty of late model C6s.

That being said, Ghosn isn't the worst thing... You make it sound like the GTR is a green mobile, but in reality, it was anything but. Expensive? Yes. But it was built to compete, and compete it does.

Yes, besides that, they have little to offer as far as sporty vehicles go. Personally, I like the Juke Nismo RS. Decent power for a little commuter car, and one you can play around with for sure. The Z... Well, there's no denying the Z is being dragged out, but again, at least there are now rumours of the Z35 concept showing up soon.

You guys complain about Nissan losing its sportiness, but it's not Nissans fault. They are in the business of making money, not stirring people's souls. Nissan builds what the market demands, and just because there are 200 guys on here that want something ultra sporty, does not equate to the millions who don't care about such a car. Face it, it's not the early 90s anymore, when sporty offerings like the 180sx sold like hot cakes. Coupes are a tough sell these days and more and more people want CUVs, for the dumbest reasons.

Toyota has gone bland for the last 20 years... And they're making a killing doing so. Honda and Acura are the same... Acura is releasing an "A-Spec" version of the TLX which will have little more than nicer wheels and bumpers. No engine changes at all. Nissan is following suit. Hell, Mazda is no different. I can't speak for all miatas, but the NC Miata had a parts bin engine in it. Nothing special whatsoever.

It's a big risk for Nissan to put up the cash to develop a highly potent car, after 370z sales were garbage. There's very little incentive for them to do so. Yes, they build cookie cutter, bland as hell cars these days... But that's what people seemingly want. So by the end of it all, we should be blasting our friends and family for not buying more Zs. We are the ones to blame. Or rather, the people not buying are the ones to blame.

Nissan made nearly 20 billion dollars. I think they can afford the risk :-)

So n essence you're saying. You're speaking for the masses and I'm speaking for 200 forum members.... basically.... smh

I never mentioned the GTR. But the GTR was relatively unchanged for 7 years. It was just tweaked. Considering it's a relatively production car for 100k based mainly on engine and tranny. The GTR is good profit for Nissan.

Let's not forget, the Z has been an infiniti parts bin car for 14 years. I don't really see how R&D has been so costly. The vq was in every infiniti for years until recently. Even the key fobs are identical within the brand.

I don't see any cars that Nissan builds that run on an independent platform like a corvette would. A corvette is NOT parts bin. A Z is if we're going to be realistic in our comparison..

I don't see how a parts bin sports car with a couple of ecu innovations can be such a drain on the Nissan brand?

A Z is one car for a niche segment.

Nissan has versa, sentra Altima maxima rogue Titan NV Leaf Juke and other vehicles where their profit margin is huge. If sports cars were money makers we'd have a bunch of them for sale. Since sports cars are niche, they shouldn't be built for the A TYPICAL. broker who wants to be a poser. U have BMW Porsche Mercedes for that. The Z needs to be built for those 200 drivers you threw to the side and the unspoken minority. That's why sports cars are special.

We are the representatives or ambassadors to the brand at the track, car show , events and on the strip. Sports car buyers sell the brand. People see our cars and walk into dealerships.

Then you have a car like the Juke for $24k with a Z shaped steering wheel Z type accents and people will buy that car as the first stepping stone to getting a Z. That's the long term goal of a car company. Getting the client to start small and trade up to the flagship or halo. The Z sells 2 and 3 cars before it is finally bought in almost half the purchases, if not more? Most people who bought Z's owned a Nissan product at one point. Hence the bread and butter effect.

In the end.... opinions are like azzholes.

I'm passionate about sports cars. In the end I know my money will go to the purest driving experience. 6 years ago. When I made that decision. I chose a Z. I'll be really sad if I can't get another gen of Z cuz they ruined it.

That decision is not up to me but the main owner/admin would be the guy to hit up.

Hi gang!!! My biggest question here since the new Z expected to have auto tranny is, will the Z be AWD or RWD?

I have a feeling the next Z to be announced later this year, will not be released until 2020.. to commemorate the 50th anniversary. It only makes sense if you think about it.

The Z has never been AWD. I doubt it will be now. I believe that is the logic between having a GTR and a Z. One is RWD sports the other AWD.

Nahh...they'll use the 50th anniversary as a 2nd or 3rd year marketing thing.


It'll come this fall as a 2018....engine development is done...they've launched all the other Nissans and Infinity new models....if they wait too much longer it'll be old before it hits the roads.

DUHHH...i know that. What dosent make sense to me is hp400 to rear wheels that have bad traction.......@hp336.

Is it me or you make no sense? You asked if the Z will have AWD then tell me DUUHH, u know that. Now you're making an incoherent statement with no fact behind it....

This forum has gone to shyt.

Rwd. That's the Z. Always has been always will.

Never will be awd also due to then being a competitors to its own flagship gtr.

2019.

The 370 debuted as a 2009 and the 2010 was the anniversary edition.

However rumors floating is that they are pushing for immediate release so possible 2018.

$60K for next new Z35?
 

How would it come this fall as a 2018 when it's not being shown until November in Tokyo? Lol

I would say earliest you'll see it is spring/summer 18 or fall as a 2019

come april 1st they'll say april fools there is no z35.

Let's hope not lol

I'm curious if we will get any secret info at zdayz

Man, think what you want, but by the end of the day Nissan isn't doing what you and I want it to do. Sooooo you're clearly not right. Can you provide data suggesting how profitable the GTR is? I didn't think companies released information like that. Seems more like speculation to me, more than anything. I'm not saying you're not right... but where's the proof?

I'm also not speaking for the masses... I'm speaking for Nissan and their likely thoughts on the matter. I honestly don't like it any more than you do.

I'm not sticking up for them, but once again, they're in the business of making money, not stirring souls. We are a non existant segment to them. Feel free to prove me wrong, but seeing as the Z is on year 8 with zero changes, I don't think you have much of an argument.

And are you kidding me? were you expecting a new GTR every 4-5 years? You guys are hilarious. I guess upping the boost and tweaking the car every year isn't sufficient enough. What does it take to please you? Maybe a GTR Nismo for 60k? :rofl2:

You once again are clearly missing the point. I love manual transmissions. I love sports cars. I hate DCTs and CVTs and Autos, and I hate these bland vanilla cars marketed to the masses, but Nissan feels opposite. Because like you said, that's their bread and butter. And they're a publicly traded company that puts profits ahead of everything else, to make returns for their shareholders. Because that's all shareholders care about. Money. Money, money, money. Once again, feel free to prove me wrong. I'll be waiting.

Sure.. if they can provide a business case that makes sense to corporate and shows they can make money... because they're no longer a private entity, but one that is entirely responsible to it's share holders.

Developing a new car seems to be somewhere around the 1 billion dollar mark these days (design, testing, retooling factories, setting up contracts with suppliers, etc, etc, etc).

If Nissan was a private company, owned by one guy, yes, he would likely be like "I don't care if this car doesn't make me a ton of money... I'm a car guy and I want to give the true car fans a car they will love". But once a company goes public, everything changes. It's unfortunate, but hey, I don't make the rules.

Understood. But it seems like they have intentions to do it considering the recent news. Let's hope so!

Reflecting on back in the day when I used to sell cars. If a company can discount a car $10,000+, it's because it's a huge money maker.

And I know from my salesgirl that they're not allowed to sell GTR cars as they are a management perk. The commission is very high.

As far as me being wrong???? LMAO. You're no more right. Wake up from your dream. Well just agree that Nissan isn't making the car we want with the info we have.

But your analysis completely leaves out the main purpose of a company having a halo car. If in fact Nissan is thinking like you say? Then they shouldn't be building any sports cars like Toyota and Honda in the early 2000.

That said.... best thing to do is wait for the fvckin car to come out.

Learn something about halo cars....


https://www.google.com/amp/www.popul...yway-12206624/

Stillen blog with compressor maps for the 3.0TT engine along with discussions about efficiency. Food for thought.

https://blog.stillen.com/2016/12/to-...30ddtt-turbos/

I wish Nissan would give us a teaser image or something else.

With how secretive its seemed to be so far I would doubt much would be shown until close to the Tokyo auto show.

Found this article on how the GTR Nismo will inspire other models. Mainly the Z.

Nissan GT-R Nismo paves the way for more high-performance variants

Down under is catching up with us. Looks like the same plan. Nothing new.

The reason i asked is because, about a week ago, this guy was on my tail like crazy, anyways we pull up to a red light. he has the new Q60 coupe(2doors) AWD with TTVQ.

So asked him, does he have a switch or something to go from AWD to RWD?? He answers NO, but there is this electrical link that if you unplug thats located in the back of the car(he dint specify where exactly) the car will become RWD. This is why i asked.

AWD on the Q or GTR is NOT full time. It never has been. The car is ALWAYS in RWD UNLESS the car senses loss in traction, then in milliseconds it activates to enable AWD. I believe their are aftermarket controllers and overrides for part time AWD. He must've had extensive knowledge n just knows where that controller plugs in. So he just disconnected the wire without actually using the aftermarket part.

Better to save the extra 200lbs n buy RWD.

LMFAO!!!! Are you Fvcking serious??? All that technology for MILLISECONDS of use??? WOW!!!!!

Well i tell you what...That Q60 is the next GTR killer.

EDIT: unless Z35 has the SAME platform....>_>

EDIT#2: thinking now....i see why they did it like that, is to save on drive terrain loss and still use it during slip, not to lose time on launch or w/e.

Well no, it reacts in milliseconds to go from RWD to AWD.

Won't be a GTR killer without aftermarket turbos, there's zero headroom in the OEM turbos. They're SMALL. Plus the 7AT can't take heavy mods, even in the new car. We'll have to wait to see if a dual clutch changes the situation. The Q60, as is, is in the same boat as the 2nd gen car being it'll take a ton of money to make it seriously fast.

Jalopnik asks the same question most of us are wondering....

Does Nissan Even Care About Motorsports In North America Anymore?

Unfortunately, it's the sign of the times. It does look like Nissan seems to want to concentrate on SUV's and sedans and leave the rest to Infiniti.

I mean if any of you saw the Rolex 24 at Daytona a couple of weeks ago, you could just make out the tiny Nissan Nismo decal on the Tequila Patron prototype car. I don't know what Nissan's involvement is with these cars but based on the level of brand visibility, it must be minimal or they've become extremely shy about their brand.

I really thought something would come out of the Nissan partnership in the Deltawing racer a couple of years ago but nothing. Then they had that front-wheel drive GTR LM Nismo prototype car only to pull it during the 2015 season after only one race.

People, it does look like Nissan is abandoning motorsports, in NA at least. Hope I'm wrong.

I believe I mirrored these sentiments earlier in this thread. It makes more sense in the grand scheme of Nissan's branding and the overall trend in the automotive market.

I really see companies like Nissan being the utilitarian brands of transportation (autonomous, ride-sharing focused... "sell the transportation need") while the luxury brands "sell the experience" of higher end cars that offer either or both super cushy or sporty cars.

This makes sense for Nissan to push more of this off to Infiniti because that brand needs an identity far more desperately than Nissan does.

I think the timing of the new Z may work out well for me. I just purchased my 2015 almost a year ago and plan to keep it another couple years. And I'll be investing in a CSC delete and new clutch shortly which should give me reliability in that regard, and get my investment dollars back during those two years.

Hopefully by then the new Z will be shaken down, gremlins uncovered and aftermarket parts available - ready for me to grab one... :tup:

I'm hoping most engine gremlins are discovered during the 2016 Q50 and 2017 Q60 releases. The aftermarket will have two years prior instead of one year prior to sort out issues and create a power plant aftermarket for correcting flaws and increasing power. By second model year, the car should be solid.

I hope so too but its not going to happen, the g37 was out before the 370, and the gremlins were still there in 09 and some in 10, by 11 most were worked out.

your best bet would be to get a 3rd model year; so we are talking 2021-22 Z.

Yeah but there was only one model year and Stillen didn't get a VQ37VHR until months after the G came out. Stillen got the VR at pre-production and they would have had 2+ years with the VR before the Z comes out. Not 9 months like the 370. That's a huge difference from last gen.