I think it looks worse than the stock Z. Those fender toppers are beyond stupid, the front is even more boring, the back is okay, and the spoiler looks dumber than the stock one. A big step backwards, again.

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After seeing a couple of 400Z's here (one close up) I have gone right off their design shape. I particularly really hate the back of them.

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The auto only truly makes no sense to me.

I saw this and literally said WTF?! I don't understand this, from an optics perspective. I mean if their goal was to be as fast as possible, meh ok? But why make the top version of the new Z only auto when every other version below it has a manual option available?

i would understand if it was a pdk
or a transaxle dct.
or ANYTHING special at all compared to the performance model
But this looks like the 370z nismo. a lazy body kit, some seats and some software/tuning changes.

there's nothing special about it that it needs to be auto only.

And there were rumors that the Nismo Z was gonna be a bigger upgrade than during the Z34 generation, even being a "baby gtr"

Using the standard auto-only is baffling

This is probably going to push 65-70k, and it's a decade old chassis. It needs to have a ton of stuff on it to be remotely attractive

The aero is fine, i think an improvement over stock, especially that regular front end bumper which stank

The wing is ugly; they should have had a raised GT style wing

I think they are using the GTR-Brembos over the Akebonos, so thats something

But there needs to be massive cooling upgrades, diff upgrades, interior upgrades, bracing, etc

but that would cost too much. Would be out of price point for target market.

So I'm not saying this didn't play a factor, but I think it swayed their decision towards getting as much return on each model sold as possible. If you compare the A91-MT Supra to the Proto Spec Z, MSRP wise, you are only saving $6k going with the Z. In comparison, my view, is that you have a less potent power plant with the Z, given what we know with the new Supra and what's it's been proven to hold HP wise. I feel like the better "investment" would be the Supra for the powerplant alone, not to mention that comparatively in my opinion, I think it's a better looking car.
All this to say, that with the new Nismo, Nissan missed an opportunity to take a potent punch at the Supra by offering a bigger bang for the buck. You are already using an existing frame/suspension geometry, existing powerplant, and existing interior bits (obviously not all interior is carried over from the 370). It just doesn't make sense to me that they couldn't take that money saved with the 400, given the above, and pour it into the new Nismo. Sure the brakes are nice, but that's it as far as hardware, and even then, that's bin parts from the GTR. Unless the internals of the engine are beefed up told hold more power consistently for an open deck, I can't see how this is anything more than a cash grab from Nissan wrapped in a shiny "new" package.

Never seen a "400Z" before...:wtf2:

You'd think that using a decade (more than that by now) old platform and an existing engine would save them a buttload of money and effort that could go into fixing some of basic weaknesses of the car

Nissan's gotta be saving even more money than Toyota did by borrowing the Z4 platform, right?

The new Z's only improvements are using the newer engine and correcting the CSC issue (right?)

Where is the camber/caster adjustment? Cooling upgrades? Diff upgrades?

I really like the styling of the Nismo (know that looks are subjective) and the color they chose is really nice as well since it has those blue undertones. Like others have said - I really wish Nissan would have said 'F it' - lets build this one to go out with a bang and give the enthusiasts what they all wanted as well as punch that Supra in the mouth with under promising and over delivering on the the new Z; unfortunately this looks like it will be a body kit, seats and a different tune to justify the higher price tag.

As for the it being auto only - not to sound like an elitist - but that was when I tapped out on it - love the color and everything but I'm sure there is nothing on that Nismo that would justify an 'auto only' type of car.

Maybe we expected too much from Nissan when the new Z was being released - before it was released - we all thought - this would be a car that would look to give the car enthusiast what they want - twins, a great looking body along with being able to compete toe to toe with the Supra and not cost an arm and a leg - unfortunately not only did this car disappoint when comparing it to the Supra and other competitors but they really 'screwed the pooch' on delivering the car to the masses - heck I think even the Supra released their manual before most got their hands on a manual Z.

/rant

The 2020 model is HANDS DOWN the better looking Nismo...and you could even get in manual! Wish I could go back in time and buy one brand new off the lot in the pre-flu era for the Canadian equivalent of $37,000 USD:

https://i.postimg.cc/8Pj6bRwk/Nismo-Comparison.png

i almost bought the last new Nismo in the country. I signed for it with my dealership but they couldn't get it from the dealer in calgary that had it.

In the end I'm very happy with my sport. And I've grown to dislike the v2 bodykit.

The new nismo looks fine, only because the base car was so ugly.

everything is hideous compared to this tho
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I saw a yellow Z35 this past weekend. Did not break my neck like the first time I saw a Z34. I immediately drove to dealer, they sold it a day prior for $84,000. Was the only one they had.

84k for the regular Z

some idiots are gonna pay 100k for the nismo and wind up with something worse than a lightly used GTR

https://www.evanscars.com/used-Cente...BZ4AH6PM310203

So my local dealer has one with 30,000+ miles and wants over 50k.

Odd though as they are calling it a Sport, but its in the yellow, and the vin# is 210. 310210. The limited edition Proto one I saw before had a slightly higher vin#. So I gotta say, this one looks like they took a Proto, stripped the wheels and calipers, and turned it back into a Sport. Weird.

I looked at it just a few minutes ago in person. The front splitter has a big ¼" chip, and the hood has a bunch of little 1/16” chips all over it. Nissan paint sucks.

Heres the splitter chip.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...cf532d5c6e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...06b822190a.jpg

Hood and side mirror chips.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...4ec00e50d8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...1b0eaacbc8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d609b72ffb.jpg

I really think something smells fishy with this car. Miles, price, vin#, Proto color, regular wheels and ugly calipers. And are the stock Nissan hamburgers normally highlighted with white?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...84dbcb047f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ad7e20ec75.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...161f7c17f4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...53024a32fd.jpg

That is the newest Nissan logo

Anything is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay. IMO, I think the new Z is ugly and price is the secondary issue.

I agree. The 370Z is the better looking car. And the V2 is the better looking Nismo compared to the V1.

The new Z is too boxy for my taste, and I really appreciate the curves on the 370Z.

I just feel like with Nissan struggling like they are and basically using existing parts and an engine from another car - I just feel like 'why would ANYONE pay ADM' on this car. I feel like this car isn't going to be a special one - except for maybe the proto or the Nismo - but if you can't get the Nismo in manual - it just doesn't feel right.

Don't get me wrong - I might be in the minority here but I do like the new Z and the fact that it is a twin turbo - I just wish that the Sport would have been $45k and the base being like $40k - bring people back to the brand - especially when there are so many vids of YT influencers and even car reviewers who while they are Z fans - aren't finding a lot of positive things to say about it. If you could get a loaded Z for about $45k - you can do A LOT with that 10k difference compared to a Supra - and you can FORGIVE a lot of shortcomings bc of the price difference.

This Z may never make it, given the current high price and the inadequate supply of this car.

The 370Z was not a huge seller either, and required big discounts just to move cars. The 350Z sold WAY better than the 370Z. (The 350 sold more cars in the first year than the 370 did in 3 or 4 years IIRC). I predict this car will be worse, much worse. I'm betting they will stop making it before 5 years gets here. Much like the Infinity Q30 that lasted less than 2 years IIRC.

As mentioned earlier, anything is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay. Nissan isn't going to back down on pricing because they know there is a market for the new Z and people will buy it. For example, I can NEVER justify paying close to $60K for a civic type r, but I have seen plenty of them on the streets.

To be fair, the 350Z came out after Nissan took a hiatus from the Z line, and during that time, they built anticipation.

The 370Z came out with no gap in production of the Z line, and people weren't as excited about it.

The new Z just needs to go. I've seen and driven it. What a disgrace. Same with the BMW "supra".

I may go test drive the one sitting there just to see what I think.

I think it was mostly in the timing. In 2003 there was only the Mustang. No Camaro and no Challenger. In 2009 there was the newer Mustang, Camaro and the Challenger. The 370 Z simply got overshadowed. It also could have used the 400 hp back then, just as it needs more like 450 or 500 now to help keep up. JMO.

I would compare the new Z driving experience to the likes of driving the Q60 Red Sport model.

^^This, all day. The Z has always, until now, been competitive, if not a competitor SMASHER at a LOWER price. This Z35 does not offer ANY of that. Id rather get used GTR, or C7. Or a new Mustang/Camaro. All of which HUMILAITE the Z35 in every spectrum for the same price.

Methinks that Nissan priced itself out of Z sales, given what they offer versus the competition. Also, the hideous half-grille does not help things either. Did something on the road break the bottom teeth?

COVID has alot to do with random/abrupt price increases. Supply chain, manufacturing, distribution, and semiconductor/chips for cars are all issues that heavily contribute to this.

I'm willing to bet that if COVID never happened, the pricing on the new Z would be comparable to the 370Z MSRP.

the Z34.5 barely needed any development of any mechanical aspects

The "newest" thing they did was mate the Z34 transmission with the turbo engine which didn't have any existing manual options

It seems like all the "development" went into the new front and rear ends, only one of which was successful. That front end sucks so bad. I like the rear more than the Z34's sharkfin

the chassis, suspension, and most of the interior were all carried over, so . . . it's alot to put on "supply chain"

Exactly my point. They probably used the resources they had available at the time due to the lack of supplies of new sh!t, while needing to come out with a "new product".

The entire car is a disgrace. The only area of interest I have of this car is the CSC, since they have seemed to relocated on the outside of the tranny and curious to see how this holds up.

Well, I suppose I’m going to be the minority opinion here but I like the looks of the z34.5 better now vs the 370z.

IMO, the boomerang headlights and taillights are not aging well and the “voluptuous” proportions are looking a bit fat and sloppy vs the tighter more athletic new Z.

The new Z’s front grill being so squared off leaves a bit to be desired for sure and it’s not perfect by any means but after having seen a few in person on the street both static and in motion, to me, I think it’s better looking.

As far as driving experience, haven’t driven a new one yet but have owned 2 370z nismos both modded and in stock form the 370z never really impressed me, add full spl suspension and then it’s a completely different/better car.

The extra hp and factory tt kit alone make this an improvement even if the driving dynamics still aren’t hard edged/sporty enough outta the box. Hopefully the new nismo addresses this.

Once the hoopla dies down and they’re available at Msrp, I think it makes sense. If you want a super hardcore track weapon, you either build one or you pony up the $$ for an RS Porsche or z06 vette.

I plan to go take that yellow Z for a test drive today. Last I saw 3 days ago it was still sitting there. As well it should. 50+ k for a $40k sticker car with 30,000+ miles on it is just plain STUPID.

I know it will be quicker, but really curious to feel the electronic steering and handling.

I'll report back if it works out.

Looks wise - I like both the 370z and the new Z; but I feel at its current price point - I just wouldn't get one new. Even though it is offering the TT setup and it can be modded etc. I just feel it priced itself outside of what it should have been when compared to the competition. The fact that this car is not performing well (at least according to the YouTube click-baiters etc) but still - some of those guys I definitely respect their opinion and they aren't Nissan haters etc.

The question for me is - is it better to TT the current 370z and deal with the headaches associated with it, or is it better to take a newer platform such as the new Z which has the TT setup and the piping etc etc - and then look to address the shortcomings it has mainly with the braking and suspension. I would be on the idea of taking a new Z and going from there - but between the price and the markups bc of lack of availability - not sure anymore.

Regardless - I do agree - adding suspension bits to the 370z really transforms the car. Having a TT setup out of the box and an improved interior - add the SPL catalogue and I'm sure the new Z will be great. My only issue - is the price. You are starting off at such a high price that it has turned from 'bargain' to 'not so much anymore'. Maybe after this car has been out for about 5yrs - will I look for a used one to then mod it to my specs - but then I will be looking to cross shop it with a manual Supra as well.

Simple test drive complete.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...965f25f5d3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2bb656cbe2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a4012811c2.jpg

Not sure why the pics look so jaggy. They've not looked like that before. Sorry.