[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Wonka2581

I can see it now... it will be something to compete with the Prius..

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njobe89

you're shooting for the sky, come back down to earth lol

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triso07

That new Vmotion grill is much better than the current one. At least it's a step in the right direction design wise.

RicerX

The next gen Z will be this ******* doorstop-looking car called the "Bladeglider".

I mean... Fiat made Dots candy come to life in car form with the 500... might as well mimic an ice cream cone on its side with four wheels on it.

When can I get a car that's really a jungle gym for me to climb around on while it takes me to work? Heard McDonalds is going to make an autonomous car that spits out happy meals into the back seat ball-pit on command. I can giggle my way to work basking in nostalgia of my childhood and instantly forget that my desire to drive fun cars as a child has now gone up in smoke in circuitry before my eyes as an adult.

WTF IS HAPPENING TO CARS?!

GraphiteZ

I don't want the next Z to become a MuZtang using the Q60 as the base or a brZ that can only outrun a Prius. Can they just work on the current car by refining the powertrain, fixing the CSC and using more high strength steel to lower the weight and calling it Z34.5?

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RicerX

The Juke actually tops out in AWD form in the 3220lb area. Keep in mind that's with an engine half the size of the motor in the Z. Please also keep in mind that the 3000lb version of the Juke is FWD, and doesn’t have any of the supporting hardware (and extra weight) that comes with facilitating a RWD layout.

It also added weight. The 2017 GT-R in its lightest trim is 50lbs or so heavier than the outgoing 2016 in its lightest trim. That's net of the benefit of the titanium exhaust system equipped standard in the 2017. Adding soundproofing adds weight, period.

Agree... but the Camaro also got slightly more expensive while working on a heavily revised SHARED Alpha platform. The engines themselves, however, were not significantly reworked, except for the performance models such as the ZL1.

The DCTs in Nissan's lineup? Which ones are those? Don't include the GT-R (since the GT-Rs GR6 transmission just won't port over to any other platform Nissan builds). Oh you mean Infiniti? The DCTs that Mercedes builds and provides that are mated to the 2.0L turbo motors also built and provided by Mercedes? Those are supposed to magically mate to some 450hp twin turbo V6 in the sky that Nissan is holding out on for the next gen Z? And handle the torque output? And be lighter than the trans assemblies in the current 370Z?

I’m not even going to talk about the benefits of having extra gears so that the ratios are spread seven ways instead of six for acceleration purposes and staying in the power curve on a road course. Highway cruise gear. For Priuses.

You mean you can't buy a 370Z for less than MSRP, but you can get $6k off a Vette? You're chipping around reality quite a bit to try and make a case.

If you build what you listed, IT WILL NOT BE COMPETITIVELY PRICED FOR THE MARKET IN WHICH IT COMPETES. That's the whole point of this thread! Should they build it, and it puts up Cayman or Vette numbers, it will be priced accordingly, and subsequently pushed upmarket. Even then, while you may have great value for dollar, you have the problem of obtaining conquest buyers in a VERY TOUGH buyer loyalty area occupied by Chevy and Porsche.

Most buyers still in this market now are leaving the Z because they want an UPGRADE from what they have owned since 2009 and they're willing to spend more for various reasons (increased buying power, etc). The problem is NISSAN DOESN'T OFFER ANYTHING BETWEEN $40k and $100k. That's a hell of a gap. In 2009, when GT-Rs were $75k, we wouldn't have this problem - the Z guys would be after GT-Rs right now. But now we do, and that space is occupied by the Vette and the Cayman, among others like BMW with the M3/4 and Cadillac with the V cars. The Z has to be a hell of a car to compete there, and honestly, for the Infiniti brand to survive, that's a space it needs to occupy instead of Nissan. But Infiniti isn't done with its identity crisis yet.

What you have said multiple times in this thread is not at all impossible from an engineering standpoint. It's borderline impossible from a BUSINESS standpoint in the context of NISSAN'S BUSINESS. Unfortunately, Nissan is a business and not a charity. Be prepared to spend $60k if they build anything competitive and don't give a **** about the Infiniti brand when they build it. That is the reality of the situation, and that reality only exists if Nissan chooses to use the Z as a deviation from its current business model and vision for the future of that model.

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JARblue

I foresee playing a video game on a controller while sitting in the driver seat and the car plays it out in real life

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Nithmo

I thought it looks more like a piece of pizza... With bland toppings

triso07

Want to see what the current 1LE Camaro offers for 46k ...

V8 455 horsepower
6-speed manual transmission
Magnetic Ride Control
electronic limited-slip differential
Forged-aluminum wheels running 285/30ZR20 front and 305/30ZR20 rear
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires
Brembo brakes with 6-piston 2-piece rotor
Track cooling packages like engine oil, differential, and trans
Dual-mode exhaust
RECARO seats
Available Performance Data Recorder
Rev Matching

RicerX

Actually, with all the features you listed, it's closer to $51k, but you probably know about some imaginary rebate that I don't. I also dig how to make your argument at $46k you also list available options.

Nissan 370Z. Nismo Tech version. Recaro seats. 3.7L 350hp V6. $48k*

* - Available Fast Intentions Twin Turbo kit.


Mitsu-what? ... Evo huh? OH!! Mitsubishi**

** - Available Nissan-Renault Alliance buyout.

Actually the Cayman is $54,950 including destination.***

*** - Available Floormats.

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Redglare

you don't even need to go the 1LE route, the 1ss can be had for the same price as a base sport 370 and at the same time run laps around the z34 nismo, granted you won't have the same experience, but physics can't be argued with.

nothing new here, times moved on and nissan didn't, or I should say Carlos Ghon the nissan CEO didn't.

If you watch a very old jay lennos garage episode he goes to japan and talk to the Z designer, he says everything is in process and just waiting the green light from the administration, unfortunately Carlos just like all other CEO's is milking the mass market cars and propping up the brand with the flagship GTR, meanwhile leaving the red headed step child Z behind until he feels like he milked every other segment.

When will that be? only Carlos knows, but I can tell you right now the japanese nissan board isn't complaining, the company is thriving and making money.

What they did with the Z letting it go for so long without any 'upgrades' or even remedies like the CSC fix just shows you blatantly they do not care for the Z since there market is so saturated and there is no money there, meaning they would have to make a superior product, meaning they would have to invest a lot of R&D into the platform that just does not generate the revenue.

Look how many maximas they sold in one year then look at how many Z's, its pure business.

I hope the next gen is around the corner, but honestly at this point I lost interest and moved on to the c7 platform, you can pick up a brand new vette for the price of a nismo Z and have a much wider grin on your face.

It's really sad that we may see a C8 before we see the next gen Z.

Wonka2581

Yup yup and yup, you will see the new C8 before the next gen Z..

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cigarclifford

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GraphiteZ

Actually the Z is not the only car Nissan messed up. All the cars and suvs sharing our FM platform and VQ power train are long overdue. The Infiniti Q70 (M series) and QX70 (FX series) were debuted in 2009. The QX50 (EX series) was in 2007. Both QXs are luxury suvs and supposed to be the highest priority in today's market if they want to make profit and increase market share. Nissan chose to do nothing.