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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 A top Tier Mercedes 3.0 TT with an advanced AWD drive system and packed with lux standard features starts at $49k. If you think a base

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Old 04-02-2015, 07:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A top Tier Mercedes 3.0 TT with an advanced AWD drive system and packed with lux standard features starts at $49k. If you think a base stripped down TT RWD Z is going to start at $49k cuz it's TT? You're delusional.

This isn't 2008, MOST the performance cars on the market are turbo or going turbo. That drives demand down making turbocharging more affordable. Worst case scenario... The Z will start at 39k as a TT. The smart year one price though would be mid 30's.

Good point. They need to stay competitive and that includes a good price for performance.
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A top Tier Mercedes 3.0 TT with an advanced AWD drive system and packed with lux standard features starts at $49k. If you think a base stripped down TT RWD Z is going to start at $49k cuz it's TT? You're delusional.

This isn't 2008, MOST the performance cars on the market are turbo or going turbo. That drives demand down making turbocharging more affordable. Worst case scenario... The Z will start at 39k as a TT. The smart year one price though would be mid 30's.
yea... maybe if it had the exact same engine and output of, if i recall correctly, 329 HP, which is less than the current NA V6 the Z has. If Nissan chooses to put output closer to 400, I don't think it's start anywhere in the 30s, in which case, a fully loaded Z can easily surpass the 50,000 mark.
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yea... maybe if it had the exact same engine and output of, if i recall correctly, 329 HP, which is less than the current NA V6 the Z has. If Nissan chooses to put output closer to 400, I don't think it's start anywhere in the 30s, in which case, a fully loaded Z can easily surpass the 50,000 mark.
A $10,000 tune and intake/manifold plenum upgrade? really?
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A $10,000 tune and intake/manifold plenum upgrade? really?
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I think 45K starting point would be ideal for twin turbo z35
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One feature that I would really like the Z35 to have is Launch Control. Now, that would be awesome to have.
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Higk $30k range is where a TT needs to start (with it topping out around $48k a la NISMO). It will be pricier than many of the comparable cars, but not so pricey that they've priced themselves out of the market.

It's not total delusion to think it could start out in mid-$30k range, though it's not quite as likely as the aforementioned pricing. Nissan has been quite active in the turbo game for the past several years with the GT-R and Juke, amongst other global offerings. This means more efficient with manufacturing costs while utilizing existing partnerships for parts. The GT-R serves as a halo car for many purposes other than marketing - it's also a research car. The performance teams working on that car are developing the technologies that will eventually trickle down into the rest of Nissan's lineup in some form.

The price of it can be driven down if we're talking about sharing the platform with other offerings (we are - Q60 at minimum at this point). At the end of the day, it's about profit. To obtain profit, you need to limit overhead while effectively penetrating the market and properly competing. (yep - I used the word 'penetrating').

It's definitely going to be interesting, and the bottom line is this: the consumer benefits when there is good competition and plenty of options. Look at the market now versus when the 350Z was on its last model year. The difference in market options is staggering.
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I'd love it if they did a stripped car that was well equipped as a performance car. I'd say that should be the NISMO, but it seems Nissan is more interested in selling the NISMO with a lot of gadgets and add-ons lately.

I'd like to see similar formulas to how the 370Z used to be (I hate the 2015 packages, whoever thought of them should be fired) with the TT motor being another option, i.e...

Base NA
Base + Sport NA
Base Turbo
Base + Sport Turbo
Touring + Sport Turbo

Something along those lines. Do the base with the turbo, so the guys planning their own BBK setup and so on can get the car without a bunch of stuff they are going to take off.

Then again, it may be cheaper to build them all with the TT, so we get something like this:

Base Turbo
Base + Sport Turbo
Touring + Sport Turbo

Do people really buy the Touring package without the Sport features? Apparently Nissan thinks they do, or want to... So maybe I'm in the minority.
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Then again, it may be cheaper to build them all with the TT, so we get something like this:

Base Turbo
Base + Sport Turbo
Touring + Sport Turbo

Do people really buy the Touring package without the Sport features? Apparently Nissan thinks they do, or want to... So maybe I'm in the minority.
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The current Z with 337 HP has plenty of get up and go. It would be retarded to go to a smaller displacement engine and add the complexity of twin turbos.
I don't know if it is possible with the basic engine block now to increase the bore & stroke (especially the stroke to give some more low end torque) but if they could get 375-380 HP out of a normally aspirated engine and increase the torque it would be a great sports car made even greater. A few minor tweaks to the interior like adding some Dynamat equivalent to deaden the road noise and restyle stupid gas and temp gauges and there would be no need for a large price increase. Oh, and stay away from DI systems too. They still need development.
The 20 something motorheads who think they need 500 HP can buy a Mustang, Camaro, 'Vette or Challenger and cry when it falls apart, gets recalled, or is in the shop with problems that shouldn't be happening from manufacturers that have been building cars for a century.
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Straight up, They need to offer V8 pony car numbers for V8 pony car prices.

The main reason the 350Z did so well is because of the 25k starting price and your only other choice was a Miata or a Mustang in that bracket back then.

Then the 30k starting 370Z had to go against 400+HP V8s for also 30k, Most folks want the rumble in a straight line and don't understand WTF handling is.

N/A Z35 needs to be in the Mid 20s, TT Z35 can start in the Mid to Low 30s.
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What house only costs $100k and who's going to install a TT kit and oil cooler for free? Also, please don't tell me you're not going to at least upgrade the clutch.

I think someone needs to check his math.
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I know the 1990 + Supra Turbos had MSRPs of $65,000 back then. i don't recall the price for the 300ZX TT but the NAs were priced at $40,000 MSRP which caused their downfall. Now fast forward 20 plus years later, Is $65K too much for a turbo'd Z?
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