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Originally Posted by NRTim Yeah you're right: Nissan Decherd - Nissan Smyrna Manufacturing and Assembly Plant I do prefer a V6 only Z car but who knows at this point

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Old 02-18-2016, 08:12 AM   #1516 (permalink)
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Nissan Decherd - Nissan Smyrna Manufacturing and Assembly Plant

I do prefer a V6 only Z car but who knows at this point whether they'll offer a four banger turbo...
Hey I know that place very well. ..should we get into a Nissan built QR Altima/Mercedes 4 cylinder forced inducted engine pissing contest again?
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Hey I know that place very well. ..should we get into a Nissan built QR Altima/Mercedes 4 cylinder forced inducted engine pissing contest again?

Yes. We love pissing contests around here! Might as well lay them out on the table and measure too while you're at it.
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The Gripz is a concept vehicle with a revised version of the Leaf EV's electric motor. The doors won't work, at least not well; Nissan doesn't have the build quality nor internal bracing to make them work reliably. I have a thin-tire vehicle, hit a pothole the size of a brick and the rim is done--they probably won't make production. Before you flame me for those statements, I ordered a 2015 Murano Platinum and 2015 370Z from Japan, both custom built, so I'm not negative on Nissan. Bottom line: The Gripz doesn't [yet] exist, and when it does it won't look like the concept vehicle nor compare to the traditional Z heritage.

The Juke is all about color choices, not quality. Like most recent Nissan products the styling and features are superb, the underlying build is the same hacked-and-stitched crap they've been producing elsewhere. If you want a tiny hipster/hamster taxi with large footprint and no cargo space, get that. If you want a somewhat exclusive race car with large footprint, the same cargo space, and decent build quality, get the Z--it sure won't damage your manhood like the hamster-mobile.

The draw of the Z is good value for the money. Other than the poor choice of plastic in the clutch assembly, it's reliable, fun, fast, and looks good. It doesn't have the deep curves, insane power, top traction, nor price tag of more expensive cars, and with a single twin-scroll turbo, exhaust, and clutch pack it's a crazy-fun squirrely ride. Swap some engine parts, juice the boost, and ya got 1,000 HP and a $70,000+ car for $50,000.

The Z doesn't gain the attraction of some other "classic" cars, but it is a classic, to the extent the 350Z has made every Fast-and-Furious movie except Five, that was a 370Z. With Japanese sourced parts the U.S. cars have been very capable.

Is there a market for the next Z is the question. The global economy is tanking, thanks to the guys that aren't in the news bleeding the peasants for exorbitant taxes--long live the king. Who can afford one? The Z hits that middle-market that was mostly untapped, the just-above-middle-class zone with disposable income, which allowed upper-lower-income passionate car guys to buy new instead of re-building used and still get a lot of rip, right out of the box, plus reliability. The upgrades from there are bolt-ons, no hard work involved. That group is down-sized. You're either scrapping to support your family and pay mandatory "health insurance" and the resulting uncovered medical bills, or you're the foam above the coffee-that thin layer of froth. Will there be enough of "the right people" to make the next generation race car practical--that's the question.
All of that info about the grip and juke is basically useless information. Except for the fact it has all that shyt and is still AWD and 2500lbs. It's still a super light chassis and the key words about what I said about the grip Z... "It's a case study"!!!!

We're in the middle of the first performance wars since the 90's ... I don't see how the global economy is suffering that much when we've hit a record for all new car models over the last 3 years. Those economics contradict what's happening.
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So to bring you up to speed, the current Altima weighs around 3,450 lbs.
That grip concept is a pipe dream. The Juke is a FWD and AWD platform, not RWD. FWD weighs less because the drive wheels are right next to the engine. So I'm not being far fetched at all. You're quoting the 1.6L FWD Juke, not the AWD. the AWD weighs as much as a base Z.

The Z already starts at $30k for a stripper of a car. You're looking at $36, for a sport tech and touring models. Nismos and convertibles are the only overpriced models. I think everyone here would be happy paying Nismo money for 400hp. They won't like paying $60k unless the car starts eating vettes again, and that will require more than 400hp. And for the record, brand new Vettes weigh as much as the Z. You'd think they would try and drop the weight of those a lot more if they could? That's a $55,000 car.

Second piece you fail to realize is that to make a stiff structure, that adds weight. With new crash test requirements, clever engineering will need to be done to maintain similar chassis weight or even less.

You also fail to realize that bigger brakes weigh more, bigger wheels weigh more, a larger radiator, additional cooling, beefier clutch, transmission, thicker roll bars, the turbos, the strut bar (front and inverted rear), and all the little luxury features people are asking for.

I'm comfortable with the 3200 number. It definitely won't be 3,100lbs. The car is already using aluminum body panels, carbon driveshaft, forged wheels, aluminum suspension bits, undersized the radiator, crap oil cooler, and the wheelbase is only 100". There isn't a lot left to take off without spending a lot of money for magnesium and carbon.
ALTIMA IS 3,212 LBS IN 2016 at entry. U might wanna recheck that I'm speaking 2,900 lbs starting weight.
That's why I believe it will start at 2,900lbs. Based on the fact the grip Z is AWD, has a shyt load of electronics,n batteries n whatnot has a sport car chassis, and RWD biased. If all that is prevalent.

I'm going to subtract electronics and AWD, add RWD. Subtract the long suspension parts for short ones, subtract the extra doors and replace some weight with chassis reinforcement and heavier building materials..

So it's like saying 2,500lbs - 200 + 500/600= ?

Simple mathematics.

I can definitely see the Z being about 500lbs heavier than an ALFA ROMEO 4C and playing in that field than playing in the field of camaro and mustang. But that's me.
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Model: 2016 Nissan Altima
MSRP: From $22,900
MPG: 27 city / 39 highway
Engine: 2.5 L 4-cylinder
Horsepower: 182 hp
Curb weight: 3,212 lbs
Warranty: 3 yr/36,000 mi basic, 5 yr/60,000 mi powertrain
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Nissan Altima is a piece of **** though

I've owned 3 and all served me VERY well. So I can't relate to your post. Being it's the highest selling sedan in NORTH TX. About a 100k DFW'ers disagree.
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I've owned 3 and all served me VERY well. So I can't relate to your post. Being it's the highest selling sedan in NORTH TX. About a 100k DFW'ers disagree.
The Altima used to be legit , but not even close to the same quality as the Honda Accord or even Mazda 6.
Ya great car for people with negative credit

There was a recent article saying companies like Nissan is contributing to selling and leasing new cars to people with horrible credit or no credit and it's causing a mass influx of people who can't pay their new car payments on time or at all.
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The Altima used to be legit , but not even close to the same quality as the Honda Accord or even Mazda 6.
Ya great car for people with negative credit

There was a recent article saying companies like Nissan is contributing to selling and leasing new cars to people with horrible credit or no credit and it's causing a mass influx of people who can't pay their new car payments on time or at all.
Honda Accord and that other car are more in line with the Nissan Maxima. I wouldn't have a Honda Accord though.
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I need to buy the 370z before they discontinue it. I heard a lot of rumors that the new Z is going to be cheaper and turbo charge. I like the V6 over a V4 turbo

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Honda Accord and that other car are more in line with the Nissan Maxima. I wouldn't have a Honda Accord though.
I'd be all over an Accord EX-L sedan with a 6-speed. Perfect daily.
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It will never be a V4 Turbo. I'll bet you $100k that it will never be a V4 Turbo. I'll personally ram my car into an over pass if it's a V4 Turbo.

That's pretty much assured. I've never seen a V4. They're all inline of flat.
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