VERY CONFLICTED: 07'-08' 335i coupe vs New 370z

Red370

Surely you jest

Last time I checked, a 3.7L making 332, vs. a 4.6L V8 making 310.... apples to oranges, got it, but 332 is almost at the peak for a naturally aspirated V6, DO NOT say those numbers arent impressive, I think they're quite good.

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05G356MT

Like I said, IMO it isn't impressive, obviously your opinion differs. Who said anything about a mustang? Also, BMW made 333hp off of a 3.2l with DI back in 2001...there is a reason why the VQ motor didn't make it on Wards Top 10 Best Engines this year. Also, he's talking about the NEW S4 motor the supercharged 3.0 V6 not the B7 S4 engine.

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370Zsteve

I don't understand why this thread isn't a Z4 vs 370Z thread. If you are having a conflict of 335i vs 370Z, I say go for the 335i, you'll be happy in the end. My

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MightyBobo

Whoa whoa whoa...while I will say that 332 isnt too shabby for a 3.7L V6...trying to compare it to the 4.6L V8 in the Mustang is a horrible choice. Its efficiency is a joke, and Ford has realized that. That's why the 5.0's coming back out again, and should be in the ~400 HP range.

I also wouldn't say that 332 hp is the "peak" for a V6, either...there are plenty of new technologies to be found and/or utilized. Lets not even go into the fact that Porsche's GT3 makes 435 HP with a measly 3.8L...a single tenth more than us, yet over 100 HP more...

Just food for thought

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05G356MT

Agreed. Now the GT3 is what I consider impressive.

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Red370

And how much does a GT3 cost? my point exactly. Just for a comparo, my 07' Eclipse GT is a 3.8L and makes 263 at the crank. Point I'm trying to make is, 332bhp is damn good, especially for a 3.7 NA engine.

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MightyBobo

No, the point you're trying to make is that the a N/A 332 HP 3.7L is good for this price point. In reality, its not that great at all compared to other 6-cylinders. Case in point, the Porsche.

So, revise your point to something along the lines of, "For cars in the sub-50K range, ~330 HP for a 3.7L isn't bad at all", and its very correct .

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Red370

No sir. What I will do is say that 332hp, for a NA V6, regardless of price, is DAMN good. You have your opinion, I have mine. You choose to compare the VQ to an engine that costs 4 times as much, and in doing a comparo, you compare the average engine output for its size with other cars IN ITS CLASS, by which the GT3 is not. Now back to the point at hand, also comparatively speaking, your comparing a Flat 6 against a V6, two completely different configurations, one built for efficiency and power equally, and one strictly for all out speed applications. Case in point the VQ, excellent power while having decent fuel economy. The GT3 is a race bred car, and thats it. So to say that 332bhp for a V6 is bad, i'd say you are terribly misguided sir.

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MightyBobo

I do agree that the V6 and flat 6 are two completely different configurations. However, fundamentally, it is still a 6-cylinder putting out a similar displacement as the VQ, and yet, putting out considerably more power. So my point remains valid - a 6-cylinder can significantly outperform the VQ, given the resources for development.

Your point, as highlighted above, is that you want to compare the VQ ONLY to motors that cost "about the same". You mentioned money situations specifically twice, and "in its class" (since we're talking sports cars here, it can be safely assumed you meant price-point, just like my LAST post said...) once. So, you yourself are alluding to the fact that you think 332 HP from a 6-cylinder is pretty good for this price-point. Which, as I already said, its not too shabby.

So, this brings up the simple question: do you honestly think 332 HP is "near the peak" for a V6? And with what motor-building background do you have to reinforce your theory?

MY point is, that you can always get more power - raising your compression and requiring a less-forgiving tune will gain power right off the bat. Using a more efficient exhaust configuration that may be less forgiving as far as emissions wise, but better flowing would help. Researching a better head design will yield more power, also.

The source for more power is always there, but of course your price point goes up. So, going off your DIRECT quote right here:

...you are wrong. Flat out, plain and simple. There are ways to make more power. I am not misguided, I am correct based off your original criteria, which was simply this: 332 HP is almost at the peak for an N/A V6. 332 HP IS, however, almost the "peak" for how little we are spending on the car.

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vash_241987

I tried sitting in a 330i and 135i..... and I was too fat, so in conclusion besides the fuel pump, expensive upkeep, and everyone having one I'm not getting one. Funny though when I took a TT for a drive, I was able to fit in it....and get it up to 100mph . I'll have to find a Z (or someone who has one around here) to try it out and see if my fat *** can fit

ianthegreat

n54 - 100hp/liter

vq - 89hp/liter

You can argue NA, but the VQ is quite a bit larger. Big advantage up top. While the n54 starts losing power, the VQ really starts grunting.

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370Zsteve

Bobo you lost me on price point vs a Porsche? The is a huge price differential between a 370Z and any Porsche.

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MightyBobo

That was my point...I'm merely saying, you can make a powerful 6-cylinder. Regardless of brand, if you have the money, it is possible.

So, when I hear someone say that 332 HP is near the "peak" for an N/A V6, I cant help but laugh because if money is no object, then that certainly is not the case. No, the Porsche isn't a V6, but it was the first 6-cylinder I thought of. Regardless of configuration, you can certainly make an N/A V6 more powerful than 332 HP...that for sure.

Besides, does someone actually think that the Porsche GT3's 3.8L makes 100+ more HP than the 370Z's 3.7L just because its a flat-6 versus a V6? Lawl to you, if so...

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