VERY CONFLICTED: 07'-08' 335i coupe vs New 370z

Trips · 11-13-2009, 01:59 AM

8 pages of what flavor ice cream's better Pistachio or chocolate chip! Lol

gnarf · 11-13-2009, 06:18 AM

i still wouldnt get a 335/135..those cars are everywhere and i only see 400-450whp as their max...reliability is a concern..and even if you have that much power, they would probably still get smoked by a bolt on Z on a track with turns..considering the fact that a 3 liter twin turbo is making 300 hp is not impressive at all...there are better motors out there...LSX, VQ/VR, the S4's new motor, even the Evo's alum block is impressive...a VQ with twin turbo, although quite expensive is way above the level of the 135s/335s limits...

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ops he already picked his car..well in that case..enjoy it to your fullest...

05G356MT · 11-13-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gnarf

i still wouldnt get a 335/135..those cars are everywhere and i only see 400-450whp as their max...reliability is a concern..and even if you have that much power, they would probably still get smoked by a bolt on Z on a track with turns..considering the fact that a 3 liter twin turbo is making 300 hp is not impressive at all...there are better motors out there...LSX, VQ/VR, the S4's new motor, even the Evo's alum block is impressive...a VQ with twin turbo, although quite expensive is way above the level of the 135s/335s limits...

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ops he already picked his car..well in that case..enjoy it to your fullest...

400-450 is the max for full bolt-ons + meth on stock turbo's. There is a company that released a turbo upgrade that's in the 500's but like you said, reliability would be a huge issue after a turbo upgrade especially since they're already non-reliable, IMO.

I'll disagree with you for sake of debate about a 3.0l TT making 300hp/300tq not being impressive. Also, BMW underrated that motor and lots of people have dyno'd 280ish stock. Given the 15% drivetrain loss, that motor should've been rated some where around 330ish at the crank.

The VQ isn't impressive either IMO (330hp for 3.7l, no DI, i'll say overrated hp/tq #'s), the S4 motor hasn't even been out long enough to see where it stands let alone see it's limits, the LS and 4G/B motors are bullet proof as well as the VR.

Which VQ are you talking about? 35DE/35HR/37HR? Because I can tell you a TT VQ35DE is probably one of the most unreliable set ups on a stock motor. IIRC, they haven't tested out the limit of the 35HR/37HR but most tuners stop around 500-550ish for safety purposes and IMO that's its limit before having to build.

Red370 · 11-13-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 05G356MT

The VQ isn't impressive either IMO (330hp for 3.7l, no DI, i'll say overrated hp/tq #'s), the S4 motor hasn't even been out long enough to see where it stands let alone see it's limits, the LS and 4G/B motors are bullet proof as well as the VR.

Surely you jest

Last time I checked, a 3.7L making 332, vs. a 4.6L V8 making 310.... apples to oranges, got it, but 332 is almost at the peak for a naturally aspirated V6, DO NOT say those numbers arent impressive, I think they're quite good.

05G356MT · 11-13-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

Surely you jest

Last time I checked, a 3.7L making 332, vs. a 4.6L V8 making 310.... apples to oranges, got it, but 332 is almost at the peak for a naturally aspirated V6, DO NOT say those numbers arent impressive, I think they're quite good.

Like I said, IMO it isn't impressive, obviously your opinion differs. Who said anything about a mustang? Also, BMW made 333hp off of a 3.2l with DI back in 2001...there is a reason why the VQ motor didn't make it on Wards Top 10 Best Engines this year. Also, he's talking about the NEW S4 motor the supercharged 3.0 V6 not the B7 S4 engine.

370Zsteve · 11-13-2009, 10:19 AM

I don't understand why this thread isn't a Z4 vs 370Z thread. If you are having a conflict of 335i vs 370Z, I say go for the 335i, you'll be happy in the end. My

xfrgtr · 11-13-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

Surely you jest

Last time I checked, a 3.7L making 332, vs. a 4.6L V8 making 310.... apples to oranges, got it, but 332 is almost at the peak for a naturally aspirated V6, DO NOT say those numbers arent impressive, I think they're quite good.

MightyBobo · 11-13-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

Surely you jest

Last time I checked, a 3.7L making 332, vs. a 4.6L V8 making 310.... apples to oranges, got it, but 332 is almost at the peak for a naturally aspirated V6, DO NOT say those numbers arent impressive, I think they're quite good.

Whoa whoa whoa...while I will say that 332 isnt too shabby for a 3.7L V6...trying to compare it to the 4.6L V8 in the Mustang is a horrible choice. Its efficiency is a joke, and Ford has realized that. That's why the 5.0's coming back out again, and should be in the ~400 HP range.

I also wouldn't say that 332 hp is the "peak" for a V6, either...there are plenty of new technologies to be found and/or utilized. Lets not even go into the fact that Porsche's GT3 makes 435 HP with a measly 3.8L...a single tenth more than us, yet over 100 HP more...

Just food for thought

j.arnaldo · 11-13-2009, 11:14 AM

frost put it very succinctly, dude. That's your best bet.

Smallywood · 11-13-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by hey32g

Not to throw something else confusing your way, but have you looked at the BMW Z4M? That's my dilemma right now, 370Z or Z4M.

My friend has a 2007 Z4M with around 3k miles on it. If you're interested in purchasing from him, just pm me. It's black.

05G356MT · 11-13-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Whoa whoa whoa...while I will say that 332 isnt too shabby for a 3.7L V6...trying to compare it to the 4.6L V8 in the Mustang is a horrible choice. Its efficiency is a joke, and Ford has realized that. That's why the 5.0's coming back out again, and should be in the ~400 HP range.

I also wouldn't say that 332 hp is the "peak" for a V6, either...there are plenty of new technologies to be found and/or utilized. Lets not even go into the fact that Porsche's GT3 makes 435 HP with a measly 3.8L...a single tenth more than us, yet over 100 HP more...

Just food for thought

Agreed. Now the GT3 is what I consider impressive.

Red370 · 11-13-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Whoa whoa whoa...while I will say that 332 isnt too shabby for a 3.7L V6...trying to compare it to the 4.6L V8 in the Mustang is a horrible choice. Its efficiency is a joke, and Ford has realized that. That's why the 5.0's coming back out again, and should be in the ~400 HP range.

I also wouldn't say that 332 hp is the "peak" for a V6, either...there are plenty of new technologies to be found and/or utilized. Lets not even go into the fact that Porsche's GT3 makes 435 HP with a measly 3.8L...a single tenth more than us, yet over 100 HP more...

Just food for thought

And how much does a GT3 cost? my point exactly. Just for a comparo, my 07' Eclipse GT is a 3.8L and makes 263 at the crank. Point I'm trying to make is, 332bhp is damn good, especially for a 3.7 NA engine.

AS370Z · 11-13-2009, 01:15 PM

I had an 02 325Ci, a 04 M3 and an 07 328Xi before moving to my Z. Loved all of them and each one had it's pros and cons. I guess it all boils down to personal preference.

MightyBobo · 11-13-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

And how much does a GT3 cost? my point exactly. Just for a comparo, my 07' Eclipse GT is a 3.8L and makes 263 at the crank. Point I'm trying to make is, 332bhp is damn good, especially for a 3.7 NA engine.

No, the point you're trying to make is that the a N/A 332 HP 3.7L is good for this price point. In reality, its not that great at all compared to other 6-cylinders. Case in point, the Porsche.

So, revise your point to something along the lines of, "For cars in the sub-50K range, ~330 HP for a 3.7L isn't bad at all", and its very correct

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Red370 · 11-13-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

No, the point you're trying to make is that the a N/A 332 HP 3.7L is good for this price point. In reality, its not that great at all compared to other 6-cylinders. Case in point, the Porsche.

So, revise your point to something along the lines of, "For cars in the sub-50K range, ~330 HP for a 3.7L isn't bad at all", and its very correct

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No sir. What I will do is say that 332hp, for a NA V6, regardless of price, is DAMN good. You have your opinion, I have mine. You choose to compare the VQ to an engine that costs 4 times as much, and in doing a comparo, you compare the average engine output for its size with other cars IN ITS CLASS, by which the GT3 is not. Now back to the point at hand, also comparatively speaking, your comparing a Flat 6 against a V6, two completely different configurations, one built for efficiency and power equally, and one strictly for all out speed applications. Case in point the VQ, excellent power while having decent fuel economy. The GT3 is a race bred car, and thats it. So to say that 332bhp for a V6 is bad, i'd say you are terribly misguided sir.

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gnarf Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 160 Drives: G37 Rep Power: 15	i still wouldnt get a 335/135..those cars are everywhere and i only see 400-450whp as their max...reliability is a concern..and even if you have that much power, they would probably still get smoked by a bolt on Z on a track with turns..considering the fact that a 3 liter twin turbo is making 300 hp is not impressive at all...there are better motors out there...LSX, VQ/VR, the S4's new motor, even the Evo's alum block is impressive...a VQ with twin turbo, although quite expensive is way above the level of the 135s/335s limits... editops he already picked his car..well in that case..enjoy it to your fullest... Last edited by gnarf; 11-13-2009 at 06:25 AM.

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