Vehicle Dynamic Control

Duc_Z09 · 09-09-2014, 02:56 PM

It gets squirrely in the wet really quick without the VDC. Steering input is sharp, wheelbase is short, and a little bit of clutch when under power will break the back end loose in a hurry. This isn't necessarily a good combo if you're new to manual, RWD, decent power, or all of the above.

I like to drive without VDC, but only when it's totally dry. And for the winter I just bought a Jeep.

Tick64 · 09-09-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

It gets squirrely in the wet really quick without the VDC. Steering input is sharp, wheelbase is short, and a little bit of clutch when under power will break the back end loose in a hurry. This isn't necessarily a good combo if you're new to manual, RWD, decent power, or all of the above.

I like to drive without VDC, but only when it's totally dry. And for the winter I just bought a Jeep.

Hey, I have the Z / Jeep combo too! GREAT combo for summer / winter fun. There's fairly modest storage capacities in both vehicles though so you develop some mad Tetris-packing skills pretty quickly

Rusty · 09-09-2014, 09:01 PM

Cars today are a lot different then when I started driving in the early 70's.

Took my driving test in my brother's '68 Hemi RoadRunner.

Cars then didn't have any computer nannies, unlike today. Grew up sliding cars around in the snow.

jpkirk · 09-10-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

It gets squirrely in the wet really quick without the VDC. Steering input is sharp, wheelbase is short, and a little bit of clutch when under power will break the back end loose in a hurry. This isn't necessarily a good combo if you're new to manual, RWD, decent power, or all of the above.

I like to drive without VDC, but only when it's totally dry. And for the winter I just bought a Jeep.

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Originally Posted by Tick64

Hey, I have the Z / Jeep combo too! GREAT combo for summer / winter fun. There's fairly modest storage capacities in both vehicles though so you develop some mad Tetris-packing skills pretty quickly

My combo is the Z and a Dodge Dakota AWD, with a cap. I have tons of storage. I do like to drive off road now and again.

kenchan · 09-09-2014, 02:59 PM

meh, i was driving my G in the snow with LM60's with VDC turned off all winter unless i was over an icy bridge. VDC can go home.

Duc_Z09 · 09-09-2014, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

meh, i was driving my G in the snow with LM60's with VDC turned off all winter unless i was over an icy bridge. VDC can go home.

I used to think that way too... until last January.

Goodbye Mustang, hello Nismo

jpkirk · 09-10-2014, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

I used to think that way too... until last January.

Goodbye Mustang, hello Nismo

Um ... wow ... and nice nismo and hey

zeeder · 09-09-2014, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

meh, i was driving my G in the snow with LM60's with VDC turned off all winter unless i was over an icy bridge. VDC can go home.

I agree, in the winter in deep snow vdc was a hinderance as just when I would start to get some momentum vdc would cut power.

kenchan · 09-09-2014, 03:17 PM

sorry to see.

i use to think this way since 10yrs+ ago. learning how to drive rwd does have a learning curve.

Duc_Z09 · 09-09-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

sorry to see.

i use to think this way since 10yrs+ ago. learning how to drive rwd does have a learning curve.

Crazy thing was, I was fine for the 14 years that I had that car. I learned to drive in it when I turned 16, I got through plenty of snowy Pennsylvania winters, I even learned to do burnouts and some *ahem*light drifting*ahem*... All was well until I got stuck at work and it started snowing. Lots of people crashed that day; it got really bad really fast without much warning.

Now I have more appreciation for things like ABS and traction control, 2 things I didn't have in that car.

kenchan · 09-09-2014, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

Crazy thing was, I was fine for the 14 years that I had that car. I learned to drive in it when I turned 16, I got through plenty of snowy Pennsylvania winters, I even learned to do burnouts and some *ahem*light drifting*ahem*... All was well until I got stuck at work and it started snowing. Lots of people crashed that day; it got really bad really fast without much warning.

Now I have more appreciation for things like ABS and traction control, 2 things I didn't have in that car.

yah, unexpected weather changes does affect drivabilty considerably cause tires might not stick very well suddenly.

with our cars, vcd is not completely turned off even if one turns it off, so you have the extra margin of error + abs. and much better tire selection too these days.

kenchan · 09-09-2014, 03:20 PM

VDC screws up my driving. 100% of the time im in my Z, VDC is turned off. its been 5yrs, no accidents in my Z. hell, ive not caused one accident since the very beginning decades ago.

SgtGoldy · 09-09-2014, 03:26 PM

So I'm sure a lot of people on this forum will tell you to take my advice:

Leave it on when on the streets.

I'm driving a BMW now for a reason

kenchan · 09-09-2014, 03:31 PM

yah, sorry to hear about your accident sgtgoldy...

even with vdc off, if one lets off the throttle the car will try to correct itself. its when you think
you can counter-steer and keep pressing the gas or hit the brake when people get in trouble.
or just running pos tires.

let off both gas and brake... the car turns into a cat dropped upsidedown, kinda.

but that's just me. you guys should keep the vdc turned on. it's a feature on the car
for a reason. GL with your driving op.

SgtGoldy · 09-09-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, sorry to hear about your accident sgtgoldy...

even with vdc off, if one lets off the throttle the car will try to correct itself. its when you think
you can counter-steer and keep pressing the gas or hit the brake when people get in trouble.
or just running pos tires.

let off both gas and brake... the car turns into a cat dropped upsidedown, kinda.

but that's just me. you guys should keep the vdc turned on. it's a feature on the car
for a reason. GL with your driving op.

its okay, the turbos make the pain hurt less. But still hurts

lol. Yea it was wet and I tried to beat a yellow turn signal. Stupid me. Lesson Learned though

09-09-2014, 02:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Duc_Z09 Track Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Frederick MD Posts: 876 Drives: With the blinker on. Rep Power: 23	It gets squirrely in the wet really quick without the VDC. Steering input is sharp, wheelbase is short, and a little bit of clutch when under power will break the back end loose in a hurry. This isn't necessarily a good combo if you're new to manual, RWD, decent power, or all of the above. I like to drive without VDC, but only when it's totally dry. And for the winter I just bought a Jeep. __________________ 2009 370z #206 (all mods are Home Depot) 2009 Ducati 848 (full Ohlins, Termignoni, etc) 2003 Grand Cherokee (long arms, big tires, 4.56, lockers)

09-09-2014, 09:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 34,900 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684436	Cars today are a lot different then when I started driving in the early 70's. Took my driving test in my brother's '68 Hemi RoadRunner. Cars then didn't have any computer nannies, unlike today. Grew up sliding cars around in the snow. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

09-09-2014, 02:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	meh, i was driving my G in the snow with LM60's with VDC turned off all winter unless i was over an icy bridge. VDC can go home. UNKNOWN_370, Rusty and Spooler like this.

09-09-2014, 03:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	sorry to see. i use to think this way since 10yrs+ ago. learning how to drive rwd does have a learning curve. UNKNOWN_370 and jpkirk like this.

09-09-2014, 03:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	VDC screws up my driving. 100% of the time im in my Z, VDC is turned off. its been 5yrs, no accidents in my Z. hell, ive not caused one accident since the very beginning decades ago. Rusty likes this.

09-09-2014, 03:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
SgtGoldy A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 3,503 Drives: C63 AMG - LSD Rep Power: 650	So I'm sure a lot of people on this forum will tell you to take my advice: Leave it on when on the streets. I'm driving a BMW now for a reason __________________ C63 AMG LSD - Straight Pipe - EuroCharge v5 - Vossen CV7 - IG: @SuperFastYo

09-09-2014, 03:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	yah, sorry to hear about your accident sgtgoldy... even with vdc off, if one lets off the throttle the car will try to correct itself. its when you think you can counter-steer and keep pressing the gas or hit the brake when people get in trouble. or just running pos tires. let off both gas and brake... the car turns into a cat dropped upsidedown, kinda. but that's just me. you guys should keep the vdc turned on. it's a feature on the car for a reason. GL with your driving op.

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