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Originally Posted by Nargrakhan I've been a supporter of this idea for years. In my fantasy world: Nissan GT-R would be the $100,000+ lineup. Nissan Z would be the $50,000+

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Old 08-06-2014, 12:34 PM   #106 (permalink)
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I've been a supporter of this idea for years. In my fantasy world:

Nissan GT-R would be the $100,000+ lineup.
Nissan Z would be the $50,000+ lineup.
Nissan IDx would be the $25,000+ lineup.

Yes, that would make the Z a not low cost vehicle, but it would let Nissan finally get their cards in order, and offer a Z that doesn't cut corners to fit lower price brackets.

GT-R is the raw power that doesn't care how it looks, just give pure performance. Z is power with a sexy exterior that screams beautiful car. IDx is for power that's afforable in a form that's easy to mod.

In the real world though, it seems the IDx is being difficult for Nissan to deliver without it costing as much as the current Z.
its rare for any car company to have more than two sport cars in their lineup let alone 3. The best company that can pull that off right now is mazda, the miata to fight the frs/brz and to bring back the rx7 to fight the 370 or a turbo-charged version of the brz/frs (because we all know thats coming). The Z as it is definitely makes the frs/brz look overpriced. I just hope the Z or GTR don't get axed for the IDx in the long run
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Nissan has recently said the IDx has a 50/50 chance of making it which is a big step back from there initial it will get made statement. I also agree that three sports cars in there line up is a nice thought but doesn't make a lot of business sence. Most manufactures don't turn much if any profit with sports cars.
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I got a chance to talk to the Nissan production manager at Zdayz and he accidentally let it slip that in 2017 they're scheduled to release the 370Z Nismo RS. After I caught him on it he admitted that they are going to boost it, he was talking about the Stillen supercharger which I vehemently trued to dissuade him from. He mentioned a larger stock oil cooler and low to mid 400's for hp numbers. My guess is that they'll stay with their current setup: base Z with a few nice upgrades but nothing huge, same for the Nismo, then the FI Nismo RS which will probably be in the mid to high $50k range. He said they are bringing down the cost of all disease by one or two thousand dollars to start compensating for this new one that's coming out in the next couple years to try to make everything more cost effective for us

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its rare for any car company to have more than two sport cars in their lineup let alone 3.
This is true. My second dream is that they go back to the Z32 days and offer two engines. An NA model to keep costs down for those looking for a quick, affordable sports car, then a decked out Turbo model sitting at the top of the line up for those who want power, style and all the goodies. Throw in a stripped down track variant as well. This is what the domestic makers do. You can configure a Mustang/Camaro/Corvette in so many ways to fit many different budgets, however the Z is no where near the production scale of the aforementioned three, so it would make very little business sense to build so many different options.
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I got a chance to talk to the Nissan production manager at Zdayz and he accidentally let it slip that in 2017 they're scheduled to release the 370Z Nismo RS. After I caught him on it he admitted that they are going to boost it, he was talking about the Stillen supercharger which I vehemently trued to dissuade him from. He mentioned a larger stock oil cooler and low to mid 400's for hp numbers. My guess is that they'll stay with their current setup: base Z with a few nice upgrades but nothing huge, same for the Nismo, then the FI Nismo RS which will probably be in the mid to high $50k range. He said they are bringing down the cost of all disease by one or two thousand dollars to start compensating for this new one that's coming out in the next couple years to try to make everything more cost effective for us

Zdayz 2014!!
Im confused, this is all alleged of course, I understand you stated the Nismo will be boosted, so JUST the Nismo or all models?
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Huck part of me hopes your right cause at least a stock boosted 370z nismo certainly wouldn't suck!
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Worst thing about this article: "may arrive sometime in 2017" so it's likely to be a 2018 model.


New details surrounding Nissan's next-generation Z model have reportedly emerged, shedding light on potential engine options and the overall form.

Likely carrying the chassis code Z35, the upcoming sports car is expected to be a significant redesign as the company aims to revitalize sales and expand into new markets.

New engine options will be central to the proposition, providing a choice between a 2.0-liter four-cylinder mill -- borrowed from the Skyline -- or a more powerful 3.0-liter turbocharged powerplant built by Mercedes-Benz and producing 328 horsepower, unnamed sources have told Motoring.

At least one of the variants is expected to be complemented by a hybrid system that places an electric motor between the engine and transmission, producing even more total output when used in conjunction with the gasoline engine.

The company is also said to have decided on a targa or T-top form to "appeal to a wider cross-section of potential customers."

Nissan is not expected to bring a significant price increase for the seventh-generation Z-car, which may arrive sometime in 2017.

Read more: Next-gen Nissan Z to get Mercedes engine, hybrid tech? | New and Used Car Reviews, Research & Automotive-Industry News & LeftLaneNews
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I just saw this on WCF too... I'm not surprised about the Mercedes engine sourcing though, after reading about how Infiniti is planning to use a chassis and engine for the Q30 and QX30. Still makes me sad since Nissan and Infiniti are known for their reliability and Mercedes is not...

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Unnamed sources have told Motoring=Rumor!
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As they always say if there is smoke there is fire!
This is not very remote not to happen.
Motor trend is going towards hybrids and turbo charging!
This people knows how to re-direct the Market and instigate change.
Who started the syncro-rev anyway? Is it Nissan?
Now every car maker even the big dogs like Porsche and Corvette follows.

Btw the last time I heard the true essence of a sports car should always be in a manual! I myself is a believer of this.
Well guess what Porsche Gt3 is auto/paddle shifter now...oh did I forget the new Nismo has lost its bonner too!!!
So who dictates the trend now? Is it still the consumer or we are being forced to accept the current technology?
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Btw the last time I heard the true essence of a sports car should always be in a manual! I myself is a believer of this.

So who dictates the trend now? Is it still the consumer or we are being forced to accept the current technology?
I always thought it was the consumer. Don't automatics outsell manuals in the US? Call it laziness, moving on with the times, wanting a freehand to text, or hating the hassle of using a stick. As technology marches on and lowers pricing, the machine will outperform anything a person can manually do, so sticks are becoming more and more about a person wanting that extra fun and/or work in the driving experience.

I doubt the manufacturers care which people choose: only the one that gets the best sales. Their decision to only offer automatic or only CVT, is more to cut production costs than a secret hidden vendetta against sticks.
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With Toyota teaming up with BMW for their new sports car I can see Nissan working with Mercedes, doesn't seem so far fetched. Also Toyota did pretty well with Subaru on the twins (BRZ & FRS).


I'd love to see a nice new dual-clutch auto transmission as an option, I'd be all over that. Standard automatic transmission with paddle shift, not so much.

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With Toyota teaming up with BMW for their new sports car I can see Nissan working with Mercedes, doesn't seem so far fetched. Also Toyota did pretty well with Subaru on the twins (BRZ & FRS).


I'd love to see a nice new dual-clutch auto transmission as an option, I'd be all over that. Standard automatic transmission with paddle shift, not so much.

It's definitely not far fetched. Nissan and Mercedes have been working together for a couple of years now.

We just need a rumors section to move all of these Z35 threads into.
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Unnamed sources have told Motoring the new Z will be twin turbo v8 with upgraded vvl and have a 35 row oil cooler with 4 diffrent type of map settings.
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