Jan 19, 2014 article: next 370Z

theDreamer · 01-23-2014, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

If Nissan wants to be different then why don't they introduce an n/a, single and twin turbo inline 6?

Go talk to the accountants, the Z is not the halo car so before certain choices are made the accountants and finance guys set the rules.
I would say a 2 engine option could help bring the Z life around again, has worked for the muscle car guys, but only if done in huge volumes. Not 10k cars sold per year, but 10-20k per month.

Chuck33079 · 01-23-2014, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Go talk to the accountants, the Z is not the halo car so before certain choices are made the accountants and finance guys set the rules.
I would say a 2 engine option could help bring the Z life around again, has worked for the muscle car guys, but only if done in huge volumes. Not 10k cars sold per year, but 10-20k per month.

It's like people don't understand how much making a car costs. We can wish for all the crap in the world, but as long as they sell <1000 units a month we'll be lucky to get one engine option. I'd be shocked if the next Z didn't have some flavor of a VQ in it simply because I can't imagine Nissan building a new motor just for the Z. The money doesn't work for that. Honestly, all I'd expect for a new Z is a revised VQ with DI for torque and gas mileage and a couple hundred pound lighter chassis.

I could be wrong. They could spend a boatload of cash and gamble that it would increase sales to 350z levels. If I were a shareholder I wouldn't be too happy about it, but it's definitely a gamble they could make.

theDreamer · 01-23-2014, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

It's like people don't understand how much making a car costs. We can wish for all the crap in the world, but as long as they sell <1000 units a month we'll be lucky to get one engine option. I'd be shocked if the next Z didn't have some flavor of a VQ in it simply because I can't imagine Nissan building a new motor just for the Z. The money doesn't work for that. Honestly, all I'd expect for a new Z is a revised VQ with DI for torque and gas mileage and a couple hundred pound lighter chassis.

I could be wrong. They could spend a boatload of cash and gamble that it would increase sales to 350z levels. If I were a shareholder I wouldn't be too happy about it, but it's definitely a gamble they could make.

Yep, and unlike say the Mustang, the Z is already an international car. So for Ford, the mustang is about to blow up even more by entering other markets allowing them to do even more (hence the 3 engine announcement).

Honestly, I fear to say it but the rumors of the reduced engine with a turbo in my mind means 4 banger turbo for the Z. Probably a 2.5L turbo setup which pumps out 345HP and weights in at 3100lbs (they won't go below 3k because of the IDx).

Chuck33079 · 01-23-2014, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Honestly, I fear to say it but the rumors of the reduced engine with a turbo in my mind means 4 banger turbo for the Z. Probably a 2.5L turbo setup which pumps out 345HP and weights in at 3100lbs (they won't go below 3k because of the IDx).

I don't understand the hate on the turbo 4 possibility. I've never seen a factory turbo motor that couldn't handle a 15-20% bump in power with an exhaust and a reflash. The same people that bitch nonstop about how little power bolt ons make on a NA V6 should be out running victory laps if the car comes with a turbo 4.

theDreamer · 01-23-2014, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I don't understand the hate on the turbo 4 possibility. I've never seen a factory turbo motor that couldn't handle a 15-20% bump in power with an exhaust and a reflash. The same people that bitch nonstop about how little power bolt ons make on a NA V6 should be out running victory laps if the car comes with a turbo 4.

I think it comes more from the Z guys/gals who have always seen the Z has a 6 cylinder of some sort, and now rumors of a 4 banger is blasphemy.
I don't disagree, if it does go 4 banger turbo it is the end of an era for the Z, but it might be time to redefine the car for the future.

Driftomodachi · 01-23-2014, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

It's like people don't understand how much making a car costs. We can wish for all the crap in the world, but as long as they sell <1000 units a month we'll be lucky to get one engine option. I'd be shocked if the next Z didn't have some flavor of a VQ in it simply because I can't imagine Nissan building a new motor just for the Z. The money doesn't work for that. Honestly, all I'd expect for a new Z is a revised VQ with DI for torque and gas mileage and a couple hundred pound lighter chassis.

I could be wrong. They could spend a boatload of cash and gamble that it would increase sales to 350z levels. If I were a shareholder I wouldn't be too happy about it, but it's definitely a gamble they could make.

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Go talk to the accountants, the Z is not the halo car so before certain choices are made the accountants and finance guys set the rules.
I would say a 2 engine option could help bring the Z life around again, has worked for the muscle car guys, but only if done in huge volumes. Not 10k cars sold per year, but 10-20k per month.

You both need to relax. I only posted what I thought would be cool. Don't lecture me on economies of scale. It's funny how people think they know everything like their opinion is the last word.

theDreamer · 01-23-2014, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

Calm the **** down.. I only posted what I thought would be cool. I understand economies of scale. It's funny how people think they know it all like their opinion is the last word. If I want your opinion I'll shove it down your throat

Driftomodachi · 01-23-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Yeah whatever

theDreamer · 01-23-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

Yeah whatever

Did someone piss in your Cheerios this morning?
We took your opinion and just expressed why we think it won't happen, based on how Nissan operates its business model, that is all.

Zed-Hed · 01-23-2014, 10:15 AM

We are all hear because we love our Z cars. If they don't build what we want we have other choices. 2015 Corvette ZO6 would be nice.

Chuck33079 · 01-23-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

You both need to relax. I only posted what I thought would be cool. Don't lecture me on economies of scale. It's funny how people think they know everything like their opinion is the last word.

Jesus, relax there. You threw out an idea that would and could never happen, and it was discussed. Care for a Midol?

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