Jan 19, 2014 article: next 370Z

Redglare · 01-22-2014, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zed-Hed

Imagine paying 90k for a 500 hp Toyota and the gas pedal sticks. That's a ride that will test your driving skill!!

Officer.... I know this may sound like a really bad excuse for speeding, but honest to god my gas pedal was stuck, I don't know what the guy in that gt500 in the right lane was thinking.

Duc_Z09 · 01-22-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Redglare

I don't know what the guy in that gt500 in the right lane was thinking.

He was thinking "can't let that glorified Prius beat me!"

Driftomodachi · 01-23-2014, 01:27 AM

If Nissan wants to be different then why don't they introduce an n/a, single and twin turbo inline 6?

Rusty · 01-23-2014, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jlo370z

I see a GTR or Corvette in my future

If Nissan drops the ball on the new Z. I see a Jaguar Ftype Coupe R in mine.

theDreamer · 01-23-2014, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

If Nissan wants to be different then why don't they introduce an n/a, single and twin turbo inline 6?

Go talk to the accountants, the Z is not the halo car so before certain choices are made the accountants and finance guys set the rules.
I would say a 2 engine option could help bring the Z life around again, has worked for the muscle car guys, but only if done in huge volumes. Not 10k cars sold per year, but 10-20k per month.

Chuck33079 · 01-23-2014, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Go talk to the accountants, the Z is not the halo car so before certain choices are made the accountants and finance guys set the rules.
I would say a 2 engine option could help bring the Z life around again, has worked for the muscle car guys, but only if done in huge volumes. Not 10k cars sold per year, but 10-20k per month.

It's like people don't understand how much making a car costs. We can wish for all the crap in the world, but as long as they sell <1000 units a month we'll be lucky to get one engine option. I'd be shocked if the next Z didn't have some flavor of a VQ in it simply because I can't imagine Nissan building a new motor just for the Z. The money doesn't work for that. Honestly, all I'd expect for a new Z is a revised VQ with DI for torque and gas mileage and a couple hundred pound lighter chassis.

I could be wrong. They could spend a boatload of cash and gamble that it would increase sales to 350z levels. If I were a shareholder I wouldn't be too happy about it, but it's definitely a gamble they could make.

theDreamer · 01-23-2014, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

It's like people don't understand how much making a car costs. We can wish for all the crap in the world, but as long as they sell <1000 units a month we'll be lucky to get one engine option. I'd be shocked if the next Z didn't have some flavor of a VQ in it simply because I can't imagine Nissan building a new motor just for the Z. The money doesn't work for that. Honestly, all I'd expect for a new Z is a revised VQ with DI for torque and gas mileage and a couple hundred pound lighter chassis.

I could be wrong. They could spend a boatload of cash and gamble that it would increase sales to 350z levels. If I were a shareholder I wouldn't be too happy about it, but it's definitely a gamble they could make.

Yep, and unlike say the Mustang, the Z is already an international car. So for Ford, the mustang is about to blow up even more by entering other markets allowing them to do even more (hence the 3 engine announcement).

Honestly, I fear to say it but the rumors of the reduced engine with a turbo in my mind means 4 banger turbo for the Z. Probably a 2.5L turbo setup which pumps out 345HP and weights in at 3100lbs (they won't go below 3k because of the IDx).

Chuck33079 · 01-23-2014, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Honestly, I fear to say it but the rumors of the reduced engine with a turbo in my mind means 4 banger turbo for the Z. Probably a 2.5L turbo setup which pumps out 345HP and weights in at 3100lbs (they won't go below 3k because of the IDx).

I don't understand the hate on the turbo 4 possibility. I've never seen a factory turbo motor that couldn't handle a 15-20% bump in power with an exhaust and a reflash. The same people that bitch nonstop about how little power bolt ons make on a NA V6 should be out running victory laps if the car comes with a turbo 4.

theDreamer · 01-23-2014, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I don't understand the hate on the turbo 4 possibility. I've never seen a factory turbo motor that couldn't handle a 15-20% bump in power with an exhaust and a reflash. The same people that bitch nonstop about how little power bolt ons make on a NA V6 should be out running victory laps if the car comes with a turbo 4.

I think it comes more from the Z guys/gals who have always seen the Z has a 6 cylinder of some sort, and now rumors of a 4 banger is blasphemy.
I don't disagree, if it does go 4 banger turbo it is the end of an era for the Z, but it might be time to redefine the car for the future.

Chuck33079 · 01-23-2014, 07:26 AM

It's the same assbackwards thinking that kept the SVO Mustangs from ever taking off and they were fantastic cars for their time. "Because that's the way it's always been" is a terrible reason for doing something. Plus, did those same guys cry rivers of tears when the Z went from an inline 6 to a V6? Hell, a turbo 2.5 would still be a larger engine than the 240z had in it.

SPOHN · 01-23-2014, 07:28 AM

I care less. I'll keep my Z till the chassie falls apart. Hell I could weld that together.

Driftomodachi · 01-23-2014, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

It's like people don't understand how much making a car costs. We can wish for all the crap in the world, but as long as they sell <1000 units a month we'll be lucky to get one engine option. I'd be shocked if the next Z didn't have some flavor of a VQ in it simply because I can't imagine Nissan building a new motor just for the Z. The money doesn't work for that. Honestly, all I'd expect for a new Z is a revised VQ with DI for torque and gas mileage and a couple hundred pound lighter chassis.

I could be wrong. They could spend a boatload of cash and gamble that it would increase sales to 350z levels. If I were a shareholder I wouldn't be too happy about it, but it's definitely a gamble they could make.

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Go talk to the accountants, the Z is not the halo car so before certain choices are made the accountants and finance guys set the rules.
I would say a 2 engine option could help bring the Z life around again, has worked for the muscle car guys, but only if done in huge volumes. Not 10k cars sold per year, but 10-20k per month.

You both need to relax. I only posted what I thought would be cool. Don't lecture me on economies of scale. It's funny how people think they know everything like their opinion is the last word.

theDreamer · 01-23-2014, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

Calm the **** down.. I only posted what I thought would be cool. I understand economies of scale. It's funny how people think they know it all like their opinion is the last word. If I want your opinion I'll shove it down your throat

Driftomodachi · 01-23-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Yeah whatever

Chuck33079 · 01-23-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

You both need to relax. I only posted what I thought would be cool. Don't lecture me on economies of scale. It's funny how people think they know everything like their opinion is the last word.

Jesus, relax there. You threw out an idea that would and could never happen, and it was discussed. Care for a Midol?

01-23-2014, 07:26 AM	#100 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	It's the same assbackwards thinking that kept the SVO Mustangs from ever taking off and they were fantastic cars for their time. "Because that's the way it's always been" is a terrible reason for doing something. Plus, did those same guys cry rivers of tears when the Z went from an inline 6 to a V6? Hell, a turbo 2.5 would still be a larger engine than the 240z had in it. Jordo! likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	I care less. I'll keep my Z till the chassie falls apart. Hell I could weld that together. Shadezz and Ty99 like this. __________________

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