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Originally Posted by FPenvy i dont think anyone who enjoys driving could really say the dragon is a joke? thats a great road and awesome to drive. yea it's no

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Old 07-23-2013, 01:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i dont think anyone who enjoys driving could really say the dragon is a joke? thats a great road and awesome to drive. yea it's no track but ask any real racer and they'll tell you.....wait sorry my inner vin took over

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Omg dude I'm talking about the turns, not your happy factor in your pants. You need G's plan and simple to fuel starve. The dragon has no turns like a track, period.

Here I can hold about 80-85 top right, not that much G's, no idea of fuel starve.



Here I can hold 110-115, much more G's, much easier time to starve.

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Old 07-23-2013, 02:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Omg dude I'm talking about the turns, not your happy factor in your pants. You need G's plan and simple to fuel starve. The dragon has no turns like a track, period.

Here I can hold about 80-85, not that much G's, no idea of fuel starve.
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haha geez someone doesnt like jokes. i set that all up for a fast and furious joke. dont pop a blood vessel

you may just have a bad fuel pump or something if you had fuel starve at low G's. i'd say look into it.

as for the dragon if you take it on at speed then i think it becomes quite like a track but probably harder than most. might not be as fast but the turns come much faster and some are really tight. plus you only have 1 lane to use not a whole width of a track......oh yea and cops. difficulty seems to fall in favor of the dragon here lol 11 miles - 318 turns. how many does your track have
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all this talk of track turns and whatnot......when a group of guys and i did the dragon and those backroads at speeds most likely unsafe ones and never had one fuel issue. those tight turns and small roads are probably just as hard if not worse on the car than the track lol
and you won't get it on the dragon. Coming out of a turn there, you can't be on the throttle long enough to get it. Its definitely real and his fuel pump isn't failing.

I got it at 15/16ths of a tank at Road America coming out of the super long carousel at 105mph. Its a design flaw, pure and simple. It takes a prolonged full throttle acceleration coming out of a turn. My student was getting it at VIR this weekend at nearing the end of 25 minute sessions after a full fill up each time.

I don't get it anymore, but I have phunk's redesigned fuel system.
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I can't believe all the problems this car is having at 25K miles. I had it towed last night from fuel starvation. The transmission bearings are whining so hard that I have to push the clutch in at the drive thru to not hear it. There is also the transmission grinding 2nd gear almost every other shift. The build quality is pathetic. As much as I love this vehicle, I might have to start looking for a new ride sooner or later.

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Every one doing 50 on a sweeping right off ramp type situation probally would never had a problem, but that's not really pushing the car at all not even close.

Like Mitco I was maintaining a speed of 80-85 through 3 right handed off ramps in a row ( 3 leafs of the clover) would of been 4 until the exit of the 3rd when I put my foot down on the gas and just slowed down.

You need huge force to the left side for a well maintained period of time no other way of fuel starve happening
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Every one doing 50 on a sweeping right off ramp type situation probally would never had a problem, but that's not really pushing the car at all not even close.

Like Mitco I was maintaining a speed of 80-85 through 3 right handed off ramps in a row ( 3 leafs of the clover) would of been 4 until the exit of the 3rd when I put my foot down on the gas and just slowed down.

You need huge force to the left side for a well maintained period of time no other way of fuel starve happening
so in other words you need to be doing at least double the speed limit of most on/off ramps in order to run into fuel starve a.k.a breaking the law
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You need huge force to the left side for a well maintained period of time no other way of fuel starve happening
This is not exactly true. (See Example Below) I think a lot of factors play into how/when this can happen. I have also had it happen enough now that I can feel when im pushing the corner to hard in relation to my fuel level.



This is a fuel starve corner for me at anything below half a tank. It is a short corner but has a nice bank to it that allows you to come in pretty hot. The lines are not exact but you get the idea. Yellow section is maintaining/rolling on throttle, Green section is WOT, Red section you guessed it, fuel starve.

This next example is how you describe it and has effected me at 3/4 of a tank once.



Color chart is the same as above. This turn is obviously much longer and has a much higher exit speed than the first corner. If you notice though in both scenarios I have not been effected until being WOT in the exit of the corner.

Again im boosted and require more fuel so maybe it hits me sooner?
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I can't believe all the problems this car is having at 25K miles.
i can't either. just bad luck after bad luck. i think time to move on and get a 2014 per other poll thread.
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On the second time I got towed, I was doing 25-30mph around the turn with one hand on my cell phone. Take a look at the fuel tank and the design of the fuel pump, you will know why.

I definitely wasn't going faster than highway speed because I had hit the gas to merge with the truckers going about 70mph. The car just hesitated and died.
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Okay, fine, the gas tank design has a flaw. Everyone is well aware of it. Why do you all continue to push it when you know its going to cause you grief? You're supposed to learn from your mistakes and correct your actions in life to avoid having the issue again. This is basic life advice people...

I guess its more fun to sit on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck? I don't get it.
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Okay, fine, the gas tank design has a flaw. Everyone is well aware of it. Why do you all continue to push it when you know its going to cause you grief? You're supposed to learn from your mistakes and correct your actions in life to avoid having the issue again. This is basic life advice people...

I guess its more fun to sit on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck? I don't get it.
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Okay, fine, the gas tank design has a flaw. Everyone is well aware of it. Why do you all continue to push it when you know its going to cause you grief? You're supposed to learn from your mistakes and correct your actions in life to avoid having the issue again. This is basic life advice people...

I guess its more fun to sit on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck? I don't get it.
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If you dont speak of problems how can anyone learn from them or fix them? I have also never had to call a tow truck mine has always re-primed. Not to mention a 35-40k sports car should not get stuck on the side of the road because we turned to fast.

I have had multiple different fuel starve scenarios as well so sharing the information and tank level at the time can help others. The most common assumption is it only happens on long sweeping turns. I can prove that wrong if anyone wants to go for a ride.

I enjoy reading the stories they are all different and give me more knowledge. I dont have to baby my car around every right hand turn because I know about a fuel starve problem, I just need to know what level my fuel tank should be at. Unfortunatly it cant always be full.

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Okay, fine, the gas tank design has a flaw. Everyone is well aware of it. Why do you all continue to push it when you know its going to cause you grief? You're supposed to learn from your mistakes and correct your actions in life to avoid having the issue again. This is basic life advice people...

I guess its more fun to sit on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck? I don't get it.
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If you dont speak of problems how can anyone learn from them or fix them? I have also never had to call a tow truck mine has always re-primed. Not to mention a 35-40k sports car should not get stuck on the side of the road because we turned to fast.

I have had multiple different fuel starve scenarios as well so sharing the information and tank level at the time can help others. The most common assumption is it only happens on long sweeping turns. I can prove that wrong if anyone wants to go for a ride.

I enjoy reading the stories they are all different and give me more knowledge. I dont have to baby my car around every right hand turn because I know about a fuel starve problem, I just need to know what level my fuel tank should be at. Unfortunatly it cant always be full.
fair enough, but all I saw in the past 6 pages was the beating of well deceased horse. I'm not seeing many solutions being proposed, so I proposed one.
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