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m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2337742)
Yeeeeeah...

That old IRS would take wheel hop to a.. whole... 'notha... level...

Marshmallow bushings!

m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2337747)
Was that gen designed around a solid axle and changed to an IRS? I can see problems popping up if thats the case.

Yes.

Primary issue was the marshmallow bushings. Wheel hop city.

Red__Zed 05-29-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2337755)
Yes.

Primary issue was the marshmallow bushings. Wheel hop city.

That and a geometry that didn't really support lowering without creating a massive bump-steer issue.

StangerGT 05-29-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Caustic (Post 2337635)
The bottom line is that IRS is, and always will be better than a live axle setup from an engineering and mechanical standpoint. You can type in all caps, post pretty pictures, and line charts all you want, it won't ever change that fact.

The bottom line, which everyone here seems to totally fail at understanding... is...

It. Doesn't. Matter.

Unless everyone here is a race car driver, most aren't capable skill wise to push either car to its controlable limit.

That is what most of the SRA people are saying... SRA's aren't a big deal... and if it is factoring into your forumla on what you plan on buying, you have either maximised the potiential of one in favor of using the other, or you have no idea what you are buying.

The only car that will be of of equal comparison to a 370z is if you stuff a live axle into a 370z...

Sh0velMan 05-29-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT (Post 2337764)
The bottom line, which everyone here seems to totally fail at understanding... is...

It. Doesn't. Matter.

Unless everyone here is a race car driver, most aren't capable skill wise to push either car to its controlable limit.

That is what most of the SRA people are saying... SRA's aren't a big deal... and if it is factoring into your forumla on what you plan on buying, you have either maximised the potiential of one in favor of using the other, or you have no idea what you are buying.

The only car that will be of of equal comparison to a 370z is if you stuff a live axle into a 370z...

Don't you tempt me!

haha jk.

Caustic 05-29-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2337644)
Just let it go. Each has its merits and each can be both good or bad depending on what you're doing and how you've set it up. Neither is a magic bullet.

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2337652)
I was under the impression that a live axle was preferable for drag racing.

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Originally Posted by Tazicon (Post 2337678)
And rock crawling

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2337683)
And being cheap, compact and efficient.

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Originally Posted by StangerGT (Post 2337764)
The bottom line, which everyone here seems to totally fail at understanding... is...

It. Doesn't. Matter.

Unless everyone here is a race car driver, most aren't capable skill wise to push either car to its controlable limit.

That is what most of the SRA people are saying... SRA's aren't a big deal... and if it is factoring into your forumla on what you plan on buying, you have either maximised the potiential of one in favor of using the other, or you have no idea what you are buying.

The only car that will be of of equal comparison to a 370z is if you stuff a live axle into a 370z...

I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Caustic (Post 2337775)
I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

There you go again.

Caustic 05-29-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2337779)
There you go again.

YUP! I went and said it!

Rock climbing for all!

Chuck33079 05-29-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Caustic (Post 2337775)
I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

I'll agree that the rock crawling comment was pushing it a bit, but drag racing is an activity many people enjoy with sports cars. In that arena, the live axle still outperforms the IRS. I don't think anyone was saying anything close to the hyperbole you just posted. I prefer an IRS, but I can admit that there's at least one form of motorsports that is dominated by live axle vehicles.

StangerGT 05-29-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Caustic (Post 2337775)
I guess if it doesn't matter, every sports car in the world should have a live rear axle. And they should all rock climb.

I saw a stock rental Corolla and an old stock GTI at the HDPE event... they were mopping the floor with everyone...

Now tell me thats because they packed an IRS... or had a sports car... or had gobbs of power... or awesome wheels/tires... or maybe a great suspension?

nope... all driver mod.

No one is saying an IRS is inferior... but lets shift the convo... front vs mid vs rear mount engine... i think a porsche can win because the engine is out back... therefor, all sports cars should have the motor aft of the driver.

If not its old and crappy and no one wants it...













oh and the corvette also runs leaf springs... anyone wanna say something about that? :stirthepot:

Chuck33079 05-29-2013 11:37 AM

Oh ****, not the Vette thing again. They're composite transverse leaf springs. Not the ones under your pappy's F100. :p

And the proper place for a motor is behind the driver ahead of the rear axle.

m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2337799)
Oh ****, not the Vette thing again. They're composite transverse leaf springs. Not the ones under your pappy's F100. :p

And the proper place for a motor is behind the driver ahead of the rear axle.

WRONG. They are LEAF springs and are directly off a WAGON which was built from the leaves on a tree. Get your facts straight in this thread, man.

Red__Zed 05-29-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2337806)
WRONG. They are LEAF springs and are directly off a WAGON which was built from the leaves on a tree. Get your facts straight in this thread, man.

and wait until you hear where that pushrod motor came from

StangerGT 05-29-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2337799)
Oh ****, not the Vette thing again. They're composite transverse leaf springs. Not the ones under your pappy's F100. :p

And the proper place for a motor is behind the driver ahead of the rear axle.

But the Enzo doesn't use them... so they must be not sports car... :stirthepot:

StangerGT 05-29-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2337810)
and wait until you hear where that pushrod motor came from

Hell they lifted the Ford GT's engine right out of a pickup truck... based on the laws of sports car... it must be slow.


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