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JohnYu 05-27-2013 06:24 PM

Nismo or boss ?
 
Thinking trade my nismo in for boss ? Any idea guys ? Which car faster more fun if both are stock ? Both car about same price 41k -48k ! I know boss have more hp .

m4a1mustang 05-27-2013 06:25 PM

Drive both and decide. Boss is faster. Fun to drive depends on the driver.

chrischhorn 05-27-2013 06:32 PM

Boss is faster, handles just as well, has cheaper aftermarket, but lets face it...its a Ford. Plus that Nismo body is just SO DAMN SEXY!! I'd take a Nismo over any Mustang. I love walking out to my car everyday thinking to myself, "Damn, this car still looks so damn good." lol. But thats me. Worst part is that at every stop light, you'll see a Mustang.

JohnYu 05-27-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chrischhorn (Post 2335022)
Boss is faster, handles just as well, has cheaper aftermarket, but lets face it...its a Ford. Plus that Nismo body is just SO DAMN SEXY!! I'd take a Nismo over any Mustang. I love walking out to my car everyday thinking to myself, "Damn, this car still looks so damn good." lol. But thats me. Worst part is that at every stop light, you'll see a Mustang.

Lol , you are thinking what I am thinking ! I am the only one drive nismo in mt town , not saying I am rich or something . There is a lots of mustang boss or shelby in my town as well , idk , maybe nismo is not very popular in my town , idk why both car price about the same and boss is the way faster than nismo

red2010z 05-27-2013 06:42 PM

They have rich people in SC? HA!

Stick with the Nissan. American muscle is junk.

red2010z 05-27-2013 06:44 PM

Quick Question.

You have a Nismo? But it says you drive A7. Nismo makes automatic?

shadoquad 05-27-2013 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by red2010z (Post 2335042)
Quick Question.

You have a Nismo? But it says you drive A7. Nismo makes automatic?

Well spotted.

Nismos are sweet. Boss is fast as hell. I say drive both, go with what you like better

JohnYu 05-27-2013 06:52 PM

Haha , no I had a touring with automatic for 6 month and I just trade it in for nismo 3month ago

JohnYu 05-27-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by red2010z (Post 2335042)
Quick Question.

You have a Nismo? But it says you drive A7. Nismo makes automatic?

By the way . Are you Asian as well ?

Z1NONLY 05-27-2013 07:13 PM

I have driven a Nismo 370 on the track and a bunch of Mustang variants. (I don't know if any of them was a "Boss")

The Mustangs push me back in my seat more and handle surprisingly well, but none of them stuck with me like the Nismo 370.

I still can't believe that Nissan's lawyers allowed that car to leave the factory so neutral. And of all the incremental power-bumps throughout the different VQ/years, the Nismo 370 is the only one to have the extra power really get my attention. It's not as powerful as a Mustang but it is plenty strong.

I would go with the Nismo 370 myself.

red2010z 05-27-2013 07:16 PM

No I am a cracker.

Kingbaby 05-27-2013 07:49 PM

Get the Camaro

Highway 05-27-2013 07:53 PM

get a back seat...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leoswyja5u1qangpe.gif

ElVee 05-27-2013 08:54 PM

You'll have to drive both and figure out which will make you happier. A Boss 302 should be able to give a Nismo a run for its money no matter the situation (and vice versa). It should be close enough that it will depend on intangibles that you feel and do while driving. While most Mustangs can handle sloppy, the 302 is the exception.

Be aware there is a Leguna Seca package which you'll probably want to try out.

If it were me, the rarity of the Z is value and happiness. A Boss 302 Leguna Seca is going to just be another "Mustang" to all but the discerning enthusiast.

alvitdk 05-27-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnYu (Post 2335046)
Haha , no I had a touring with automatic for 6 month and I just trade it in for nismo 3month ago

Stay with me here for a second, you had a 370Z Touring, just 3 Month ago got the Nismo.....and now you ask if you should trade for a BOSS :confused:

If you have any disposable income to waste, I give you my account info. Why the heck didn't you test the BOSS 3 month ago before making the switch?

Either way, I drove the Boss, the Genesis and the Z, the Boss is powerfull but as you said, you see Mustang at every corner, and it is a.....well....Ford, enough said. Stick with the Nismo I would say! :driving:

scope22 05-27-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnYu (Post 2335017)
Thinking trade my nismo in for boss ? Any idea guys ? Which car faster more fun if both are stock ? Both car about same price 41k -48k ! I know boss have more hp .

2015 is new body and new suspension...i'd wait untill then

Vichtz 05-27-2013 09:29 PM

Plus anything with a BOSS tag is going to hold its value more in this country. probably. But at the rate you run through cars, might as well get one and get a lambo next week...

Mecinoid 05-28-2013 12:06 AM

Let me try to be objective here. Being a Ford kid as I grew up. My Dad was a Ford executive. I liked/loved Fords. After experiencing Z cars many years ago I became a Nissan fan due to their quality and durability. I own a Supercharged '98 Firebird that has great quality and I believe that the Mustang over the years has improved as much in the quality arena. However, the Mustang, Camaro, Corvette and Firebird interior always have seemed really cheap to me. I've owned them all. The exception to this rule might be the C7 Corvette which could me my next purchase in 2015 if all goes well. The one thing about American sports cars is that generally the interior is a step down or two from a German or Japanese production car. The fit of these American cars has improved over the years but, the finish and interior not so much over the years.
I too have thought about getting a Lime Green Boss 302 to drive it till it's got 100K on the clock. However, my 370Z will last well over 200K just like all my other Z's. So, if your buying it to drive daily for the next 10 years. Buy a Z. IMO if your buying to drive it for the next 5 years get the Ford. If you are a low mileage driver (10K per year) you might have your Mustang last 10year without major rebuild. That's my take. The Z last longer and will stay in better condition over the years. Just look at a few five year old Z's verses a few five year old Mustang's (some Z members call them Rustangs) and you'll see.

raymondo510 05-28-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecinoid (Post 2335385)
Let me try to be objective here. Being a Ford kid as I grew up. My Dad was a Ford executive. I liked/loved Fords. After experiencing Z cars many years ago I became a Nissan fan due to their quality and durability. I own a Supercharged '98 Firebird that has great quality and I believe that the Mustang over the years has improved as much in the quality arena. However, the Mustang, Camaro, Corvette and Firebird interior always have seemed really cheap to me. I've owned them all. The exception to this rule might be the C7 Corvette which could me my next purchase in 2015 if all goes well. The one thing about American sports cars is that generally the interior is a step down or two from a German or Japanese production car. The fit of these American cars has improved over the years but, the finish and interior not so much over the years.
I too have thought about getting a Lime Green Boss 302 to drive it till it's got 100K on the clock. However, my 370Z will last well over 200K just like all my other Z's. So, if your buying it to drive daily for the next 10 years. Buy a Z. IMO if your buying to drive it for the next 5 years get the Ford. If you are a low mileage driver (10K per year) you might have your Mustang last 10year without major rebuild. That's my take. The Z last longer and stay in better condition over the years. Just look at a few five year old Z's verses a few five year old Mustang's (some Z members call them Rustangs) and you'll see.

Well said

SS_Firehawk 05-28-2013 01:02 AM

http://www.the370z.com/track-autocro...s-302-vir.html

This pretty much sums up my thoughts.

LiquidCrewZ 05-28-2013 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecinoid (Post 2335385)
Let me try to be objective here. Being a Ford kid as I grew up. My Dad was a Ford executive. I liked/loved Fords. After experiencing Z cars many years ago I became a Nissan fan due to their quality and durability. I own a Supercharged '98 Firebird that has great quality and I believe that the Mustang over the years has improved as much in the quality arena. However, the Mustang, Camaro, Corvette and Firebird interior always have seemed really cheap to me. I've owned them all. The exception to this rule might be the C7 Corvette which could me my next purchase in 2015 if all goes well. The one thing about American sports cars is that generally the interior is a step down or two from a German or Japanese production car. The fit of these American cars has improved over the years but, the finish and interior not so much over the years.
I too have thought about getting a Lime Green Boss 302 to drive it till it's got 100K on the clock. However, my 370Z will last well over 200K just like all my other Z's. So, if your buying it to drive daily for the next 10 years. Buy a Z. IMO if your buying to drive it for the next 5 years get the Ford. If you are a low mileage driver (10K per year) you might have your Mustang last 10year without major rebuild. That's my take. The Z last longer and stay in better condition over the years. Just look at a few five year old Z's verses a few five year old Mustang's (some Z members call them Rustangs) and you'll see.

Couldn't agree more. If I end up keeping my 370z, I'm boosting and never looking back. Well I might look back to see everyone I race in the rear view mirror haha

Mecinoid 05-28-2013 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidCrewZ (Post 2335414)
Couldn't agree more. If I end up keeping my 370z, I'm boosting and never looking back. Well I might look back to see everyone I race in the rear view mirror haha

This is the perfect solution. I was thinking the same thing. I'd love to go with a Stillen Kit. My problems is putting another 10K in my Firebird would easily get me a 7 second car. Putting that same 10K into the Z might get 10 second car. Hence the dilemma.

Ah, just sell them all and get a C7. Hopefully, there will be a ZR1 version with over 750HP. That would cause me to stand up and take notice of GM again.
Not likely ... :stirthepot:

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2335410)
http://www.the370z.com/track-autocro...s-302-vir.html

This pretty much sums up my thoughts.

Doesn't show anything other than the Z driver has bigger balls. :tup:

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecinoid (Post 2335385)
Let me try to be objective here. Being a Ford kid as I grew up. My Dad was a Ford executive. I liked/loved Fords. After experiencing Z cars many years ago I became a Nissan fan due to their quality and durability. I own a Supercharged '98 Firebird that has great quality and I believe that the Mustang over the years has improved as much in the quality arena. However, the Mustang, Camaro, Corvette and Firebird interior always have seemed really cheap to me. I've owned them all. The exception to this rule might be the C7 Corvette which could me my next purchase in 2015 if all goes well. The one thing about American sports cars is that generally the interior is a step down or two from a German or Japanese production car. The fit of these American cars has improved over the years but, the finish and interior not so much over the years.
I too have thought about getting a Lime Green Boss 302 to drive it till it's got 100K on the clock. However, my 370Z will last well over 200K just like all my other Z's. So, if your buying it to drive daily for the next 10 years. Buy a Z. IMO if your buying to drive it for the next 5 years get the Ford. If you are a low mileage driver (10K per year) you might have your Mustang last 10year without major rebuild. That's my take. The Z last longer and will stay in better condition over the years. Just look at a few five year old Z's verses a few five year old Mustang's (some Z members call them Rustangs) and you'll see.

I don't really agree with this. My '11 5.0 had less problems than my '09 370Z and both seemed to be about the same in terms of build quality. I'd expect a new Mustang to last just as long as a new Z under the same conditions.

The only difference being that the Mustang will look years newer than the Z after 10 years since all of Nissan's terrible paint and clear will have melted off by then. :rofl2: The Nissan doesn't even come close to the Ford in terms of paint quality/durability.

chrischhorn 05-28-2013 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2335500)
Doesn't show anything other than the Z driver has bigger balls. :tup:

:icon18: Driver skill for the win. You want power? Watch the video from 6:15 to 6:40 and watch the Boss disappear but :tiphat: to Takjak cause that is some damn good driving!

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chrischhorn (Post 2335516)
:icon18: Driver skill for the win. You want power? Watch the video from 6:15 to 6:40 and watch the Boss disappear but :tiphat: to Takjak cause that is some damn good driving!

:iagree:

Driver is everything.

BUT... forums are for bench/magazine racing. :p

What's funny is so many people here argue so hard about cars (lets say 5.0 and Z) that are within a second or two of each other on track, but if you put them on track in said cars they would probably get passed by some track pro in a Miata.

DLSTR 05-28-2013 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecinoid (Post 2335385)
Let me try to be objective here. Being a Ford kid as I grew up. My Dad was a Ford executive. I liked/loved Fords. After experiencing Z cars many years ago I became a Nissan fan due to their quality and durability. I own a Supercharged '98 Firebird that has great quality and I believe that the Mustang over the years has improved as much in the quality arena. However, the Mustang, Camaro, Corvette and Firebird interior always have seemed really cheap to me. I've owned them all. The exception to this rule might be the C7 Corvette which could me my next purchase in 2015 if all goes well. The one thing about American sports cars is that generally the interior is a step down or two from a German or Japanese production car. The fit of these American cars has improved over the years but, the finish and interior not so much over the years.
I too have thought about getting a Lime Green Boss 302 to drive it till it's got 100K on the clock. However, my 370Z will last well over 200K just like all my other Z's. So, if your buying it to drive daily for the next 10 years. Buy a Z. IMO if your buying to drive it for the next 5 years get the Ford. If you are a low mileage driver (10K per year) you might have your Mustang last 10year without major rebuild. That's my take. The Z last longer and will stay in better condition over the years. Just look at a few five year old Z's verses a few five year old Mustang's (some Z members call them Rustangs) and you'll see.

+1 Agree'd. I watched the TopGear episode where Jeremy ran the new Shelby GT500 down to Italy. Loved the power but did not like the lack of refinement. Thats why I have a Z.

Plus the useless comparisons of muscle cars to the Z is annoying. Let me know when the 240 was ever a muscle car. Or any other Z. They have been sporscars from day 1 in an affordable package. They were never muscle or street/drag racers by design.

Even the motoring press know that. The comparison is price only, the competition in class is the Cayman among others like it.

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 2335520)
+1 Agree'd. I watched the TopGear episode where Jeremy ran the new Shelby GT500 down to Italy. Loved the power but did not like the lack of refinement. Thats why I have a Z.

Plus the useless comparisons of muscle cars to the Z is annoying. Let me know when the 240 was ever a muscle car. Or any other Z. They have been sporscars from day 1 in an affordable package. They were never muscle or street/drag racers by design.

Even the motoring press know that. The comparison is price only, the competition in class is the Cayman among others like it.

But in the US, most people are shopping on price. Someone that "wants a sporty car" is going to look at every sporty car in their price range.

That type of buyer is far more common than an enthusiast that says "I want a Z" or "I want a Mustang" or "I want a Corvette." I'll go out on a limb and say that most people that actively post on this forum didn't even have to think about buying their Z.

red2010z 05-28-2013 07:21 AM

I wanted to be that different type. Nobody in my little town had one at the time. But they all had Mustang/Camero.

People don't tend to turn heads for the American cars they see everybody multiple times a day. But with the Z it seems everyone is curious.

/Angelo350Z/ 05-28-2013 07:32 AM

I'd do my research, but I don't really care enough. Do Mustangs have independent rear suspension yet?

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/ (Post 2335564)
I'd do my research, but I don't really care enough. Do Mustangs have independent rear suspension yet?

Nope. But everyone should know by now that doesn't matter.

/Angelo350Z/ 05-28-2013 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2335566)
Nope. But everyone should know by now that doesn't matter.

Why is that? Because ultimately the new GT keeps up with an M3 on a track?

Just curious what your opinion is.

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/ (Post 2335580)
Why is that? Because ultimately the new GT keeps up with an M3 on a track?

Just curious what your opinion is.

Because it hasn't really hindered performance, and contrary to what most believe live axles are not always inferior to a independent setup.

Here's a bit of what Billy Johnson had to say on the matter over on S2KI. Billy races the Roush Mustang in the Continental Tire series and has also done some NASCAR road racing.

Quote:

It's been said that the recent 'purist' viewpoint/train of thought has shifted the generally accepted consensus that IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) is superior to stick-axles when it is not necessarily true. While the camber gain and bumpsteer of IRS can edge out a stick-axle in peak mid-corner grip, it can become a disadvantage on entry and especially exit of corners. "The fastest accelerating cars in the world have stick-axles". By maintaining an even rear platform, stick-axles have inherent advantages that at the end of the day, can be as good if not better than an IRS. In many cases its harder to make an IRS work better than a stick-axle, pending rules of the series, which stick-axle design you are looking at, etc... But at the end of the day, in CTSCC, a ~stock geometry Mustang out handles and comes out of corners better than the E92 M3 but currently due to rules, the M3 outbrakes and has more power to out accelerate the Mustang on the top end.
Ultimately you end up having to move to a IRS setup on a street car (next gen Mustang is going to be IRS), but not necessarily for performance reasons. For one, you don't have to design a chassis with a big ole hump in the back to fit the rear axle. This gives you more efficient use of space and would actually make the rear seats of the Mustang useful.

There are more reasons we could get into, but the bottom line is as far as performance goes, the solid axle is not the crutch that most like to say it is.

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 07:56 AM

Anyways, back to the OP, I just realized you've already got your NISMO. Since you've only had it for 3 months... keep it!

/Angelo350Z/ 05-28-2013 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2335594)
Because it hasn't really hindered performance, and contrary to what most believe live axles are not always inferior to a independent setup.

Here's a bit of what Billy Johnson had to say on the matter over on S2KI. Billy races the Roush Mustang in the Continental Tire series and has also done some NASCAR road racing.



Ultimately you end up having to move to a IRS setup on a street car (next gen Mustang is going to be IRS), but not necessarily for performance reasons. For one, you don't have to design a chassis with a big ole hump in the back to fit the rear axle. This gives you more efficient use of space and would actually make the rear seats of the Mustang useful.

There are more reasons we could get into, but the bottom line is as far as performance goes, the solid axle is not the crutch that most like to say it is.

I appreciate the informative response. So everybody knows this but me? Man, I really have been busy. Anyway, I'll reserve my judgment and do more reading.

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/ (Post 2335607)
I appreciate the informative response. So everybody knows this but me? Man, I really have been busy. Anyway, I'll reserve my judgment and do more reading.

Let's face it, the Mustang *shouldn't* be live axle. It should have ditched it a decade ago. But they didn't. And it didn't help that for the longest time they handled like crap, so everyone just assumed stick axles can't handle. By the time they actually put together a serious chassis and got the geometry right... that's a hard stigma to shake.

/Angelo350Z/ 05-28-2013 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2335609)
Let's face it, the Mustang *shouldn't* be live axle. It should have ditched it a decade ago. But they didn't. And it didn't help that for the longest time they handled like crap, so everyone just assumed stick axles can't handle. By the time they actually put together a serious chassis and got the geometry right... that's a hard stigma to shake.

Have you taken your Mustang on a track? If so, which one?

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 08:12 AM

Haven't tracked it. I don't have a Mustang anymore though. 2013 "Dat Blue Doe" 370 now. :)

/Angelo350Z/ 05-28-2013 08:15 AM

What do you know, turns out we have the same car. High five.

m4a1mustang 05-28-2013 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/ (Post 2335620)
What do you know, turns out we have the same car. High five.

Best color ever! :tup:


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