Grand Am plays LOTS of games with weight, weight positions, throttle bodies, brakes, and other things to make the cars be fairly equal on the track. Soon as one team gets a clear advantage they make them add weight, restrict airflow, limit tire size...yadayada....Thats why the Continental series race is a crash fest...they get all bunched up and the only way to get position is to barge your way in or bump the next guy off the line. Its pretty fun to watch in person actually.

Isn't there only one Z in that series and they are new to it? lol

pls don't interrupt my joking:roflpuke2:

OMG you are choosing to be really dumb... This is just baffling... READ SON!!!! READ!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR MOTHER AND I, L2READ!!!!! Both what you wrote and what I wrote.

You want all things equal, EXCEPT THE SUSPENSION. Look at your sentence structure son. You stop the series when you used and. In all honesty, there should probably be a semi-colon where you start saying "a car....herp derp". On top of that, SRA and IRS and NOT equal. Not in any sense of the word so why are you trying to make them equal? If they WERE equal, and everything else is equal then guess what.....

THEY WILL PERFORM THE SAME BECAUSE ITS ALL EQUAL!!!!!

IRS would NOT outperform SRA in the scenario you think you are saying because by being equal, they inherently are equally capable.

So anyway, back to what I was saying and the point I made which is:

You can't really boil this down much more. However, since you don't understand this sentence then read that quote over and over and over until something finally clicks....or, just look at the pictures and the handful of words I typed. They tell a story...kind of like a picture book. The same story that is boiled down into the quote above.

Please..... take a look, it's in a book,

http://img.geocaching.com/cache/4fc6...e71e4f3437.jpg

(That last part is to sung like Oprah)

EDIT: Had fun, I'm out. Need food and to do a bit of work. :D

Sorry..................:tiphat:

Grand Am is a horrible example of which platform is faster.

As mentioned before, they play huge games with weight, restrictors, RPM limits, tires, so on and so on. I mean ****, you have the exact same cars in more than one class... that should tell you something.

Fact is, there has only ever been one Z at a time in Grand Am (Don't think AM and Doran overlapped anyway) and partly because of that, a Z has never won. I don't think one has even podiumed.

All it takes is one turn of bad luck and an entire platform is out of the running for the race (or entire weekend). Add to that Nissan being fickle about sponsoring races for the teams and, well... yeah.

Anyway point is, Grand Am is an awful example of which platform is faster, no matter what you're comparing.

But but....equal....things....equal and....IRSSRAIRSSRAUSAUSAUSA :usa:

But when all things are equal... :rofl2:

This thread... :usa:

:)

Only racing series that are really "equalish" without being literally spec chassis are things like V8 Supercars, Trans Am, DTM and maybe a handful of others around the world.

Everything else, someone's gettin the short end of the stick for one reason or another.

Really guys? You all are going to continue to argue that a live axle is equally as good as an IRS? Really?

Saying a better setup of a live axle is better than a crappy setup of an IRS is the dumbest comparison ever. Why? Cause it is pointless. That's like saying my running Yugo made of cardboard and spit is better than that brand new Toyota Camry missing all four of its wheels.

The bottom line is that IRS is, and always will be better than a live axle setup from an engineering and mechanical standpoint. You can type in all caps, post pretty pictures, and line charts all you want, it won't ever change that fact.

The idea that a rotating mass connected by a big thick piece of metal spanning the width of a vehicle to another rotating mass, with no flex or play between the two, moving at high speeds over an uneven and ever changing surface, is equally as good as an independently controlled...

Know what? All you live axle supporters calling the rest fanbois is the ultimate fanboism. Why? Because physics and engineering says so.

Just let it go. Each has its merits and each can be both good or bad depending on what you're doing and how you've set it up. Neither is a magic bullet.

Who the hell are you even arguing with? No one ever said IRS wasn't a better system. The whole point of the discussion was to dispel the notion that just because the Mustang uses a solid axle doesn't mean it CAN'T handle, which many assume.

Meanwhile, you're over here thinking we're trying to say it's a great system that everyone should use. :icon17:

C'mon, man!

So many people in this thread have missed the mark. It was only ever about ONE thing and it has been blown into an epic mess thanks to a few that can't quite get what the discussion is about.

Oh well, it's all good for a lark.

I was under the impression that a live axle was preferable for drag racing.