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StangerGT 05-29-2013 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2337286)
No one is denying it. But you guys are making it sound like it's impossible for a SRA car to perform when it's been proven time and time again that they can. Even when those with experience say that their setups are very settled, it's still impossible because it's a solid axle, and well, if you guys say it can't, then it can't!

And like it has been mentioned many times before, for an IRS setup to be better than a well sorted SRA, the geometry has to be right. There are more mediocre independent rear suspension setups out there than there are good ones.

Also Id like to mention that in my pic... i said... i planted the throttle... soooo theres a pic + first hand information... :p

m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT (Post 2337289)
Also Id like to mention that in my pic... i said... i planted the throttle... soooo theres a pic + first hand information... :p

You're still lying. Angelo says you can't do it, so you can't.

Caustic 05-29-2013 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT (Post 2337168)
So is having a mid mount engine... does that mean anything to the average driver? no.

I have zero issue with my live axle on/off the track...

You may not have issues, but it is still the inferior rear suspension set up.

Spikuh 05-29-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/ (Post 2337279)
You guys are right. Cars with a solid axle will perform as well on a track as a car with IRS. Look, I can post pics of a vehicle exiting a corner as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't show how fast it's going, or how slow it is in relation to the cars around it.

Bottom line, with all things being equal: power, torque, weight, engine layout, and weight, a car with IRS will put power to the ground more efficiently than a car with a solid rear axle. There's really no denying it.

Wrong.

This:

http://www.stancenation.com/wp-conte...3/IMG_9403.jpg

(Also note, this is not even that aggressive on stance, there is far worse.)

Will never put down power as efficiently as this:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...98612351_n.jpg

Which will never put down power as efficiently as this:

http://arizonafoothillsmagazine.com/...ona-valley.jpg

or this:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-cont...s-302-0031.jpg



How effectively a vehicle puts power down depends entirely on the setup and what that setup is designed to do. It really is that simple.

Just FYI, the 240sx is an IRS setup.

So let's do a quick mind exercise. Take that first 240sx, lean the rears out even more and make the stance super crazy, then build it so that has the same paper stats as a 5.0. Line them up, put them down a strip and then around a track. Who is going to win?

According to you, the 240sx will win....because IRS. To anyone with a pair of eyes, the 5.0 will destroy it.

Spikuh 05-29-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Caustic (Post 2337448)
You may not have issues, but it is still the inferior rear suspension set up.

Also wrong, see above.... :shakes head:

m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 09:35 AM

You're wrong, Spikuh. Solid axles can't turn and 370Zs don't have to slow down for corners because IRS.

m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 09:38 AM

I drove flat out to work this morning. It was awesome.

SAmilitaryman 05-29-2013 09:51 AM

So basicly what you all are saying is the OP should drive both cars extensively before making a decision?

Got ya

m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SAmilitaryman (Post 2337540)
So basicly what you all are saying is the OP should drive both cars extensively before making a decision?

Got ya

But he needs to take great care to only drive the Boss on flat surfaces with no turns, and to NOT slow down for turns in his NISMO as that is how both cars work.

/Angelo350Z/ 05-29-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 2337471)
Wrong.

This:

http://www.stancenation.com/wp-conte...3/IMG_9403.jpg

(Also note, this is not even that aggressive on stance, there is far worse.)

Will never put down power as efficiently as this:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...98612351_n.jpg

Which will never put down power as efficiently as this:

http://arizonafoothillsmagazine.com/...ona-valley.jpg

or this:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-cont...s-302-0031.jpg



How effectively a vehicle puts power down depends entirely on the setup and what that setup is designed to do. It really is that simple.

Just FYI, the 240sx is an IRS setup.

So let's do a quick mind exercise. Take that first 240sx, lean the rears out even more and make the stance super crazy, then build it so that has the same paper stats as a 5.0. Line them up, put them down a strip and then around a track. Who is going to win?

According to you, the 240sx will win....because IRS. To anyone with a pair of eyes, the 5.0 will destroy it.

Did you miss the point where I said with ALL things being equal? Equal means the same doesn't it? So why bring a 240SX and a 5.0 Mustang? Are they the same?

m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 10:01 AM

All things are pretty equal in the Continental Tire series and the Mustangs, M3s, Camaros, etc. all seem to go back and forth as far as who wins each race.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-cont...11-626x382.jpg

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-cont...14-626x382.jpg

http://d3pczhwof661ii.cloudfront.net.../Barber200.jpg

Tazicon 05-29-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by forza370z (Post 2336979)
Wow... Nismo or boss ?? Chill out everybody! Now the question is where is the OP???:rofl2:

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You guys scared OP off!:bowrofl:


He is watching this thread laughing his a** off at what he started. He probably knew this would happen from the beginning!

m4a1mustang 05-29-2013 10:03 AM

Normally I would go back and scale down the image, but this thread is so f*cked it doesn't matter.

Spikuh 05-29-2013 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAmilitaryman (Post 2337540)
So basicly what you all are saying is the OP should drive both cars extensively before making a decision?

Got ya

Some of us yes, but not all of us. For example some fanbois and myself made no such claim. Can we argue now? :stirthepot: :tup:



But for the OP, if he is still around, if I had the option between a NISMO and a Boss....I would definitely have to get the McLaren P1. :tup:

Really though, its kind of a toss up, but I feel like I would lean towards the Boss a bit more just because of the better aftermarket and the better clutch/tranny.

Red__Zed 05-29-2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2337563)
All things are pretty equal in the Continental Tire series and the Mustangs, M3s, Camaros, etc. all seem to go back and forth as far as who wins each race.

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That last picture is pretty telling. You can see the porsches and 370z are about to lap all of the Mustangs.


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