Nismo = cheese-mo

SnakeBitten · 07-20-2009, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Remember, you can do all this, but you won't have the downforce of the factory body kit that helps plant the tires to the ground when needed. That is one of the most important parts on a road course, is that downforce.

I hear what you are saying but the down force produced by the bodykit is minimal. Hardly enough to offset the beatdown it would get from a Z with the mods I layed out sans bodykit. Its not like the kit produces anywhere near even half the ACR levels of down force. One of the major mags said the same thing about the Nismo 350z. Downforce is minimal as its more a bodykit than any aid in handling on track imho.

A Z equipped like I posted before would kill the Nismo Z with ease on track. Yes its about parts working in harmony but the Nismo Z package is hardly untouchable for less money than the premium it commands. All Nissan did was add standard stuff enthusiasts add but with less performance as evidenced by some of the numbers guys are getting with similar mods imho.

BTW thanks for the correction on the body welds. I assumed the 370z Nismo had the body welds as well.

NIZMOZ · 07-20-2009, 07:48 AM

150lb at 70~ mph is A LOT! I can feel it on my Z when I am on the road course. It gets more traction and wants to grip the faster I go which is like the opposite of what it would normally do.

Sadly you are one that has never been on a track with a NISMO Z. There are many videos out there that already show how well the NISMO does with race slicks. No aftermarket Z has yet to handle as smooth and good.

But then again, the 370z has no body welds which is a huge difference in handling, so that might be enough for someone to blow off the NISMO this year.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBitten

I hear what you are saying but the down force produced by the bodykit is minimal. Hardly enough to offset the beatdown it would get from a Z with the mods I layed out sans bodykit. Its not like the kit produces anywhere near even half the ACR levels of down force. One of the major mags said the same thing about the Nismo 350z. Downforce is minimal as its more a bodykit than any aid in handling on track imho.

A Z equipped like I posted before would kill the Nismo Z with ease on track. Yes its about parts working in harmony but the Nismo Z package is hardly untouchable for less money than the premium it commands. All Nissan did was add standard stuff enthusiasts add but with less performance as evidenced by some of the numbers guys are getting with similar mods imho.

BTW thanks for the correction on the body welds. I assumed the 370z Nismo had the body welds as well.

RCZ · 07-20-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

No aftermarket Z has yet to handle as smooth and good.

I do think the Nismo 350 had more going for it than the 370 Version does.

But do you think the Nismo 350 is faster than the Nismo 370 on a track? After all, they were designed by the same people with the same purpose.

whoady4shoady · 07-20-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I do think the Nismo 350 had more going for it than the 370 Version does.

But do you think the Nismo 350 is faster than the Nismo 370 on a track? After all, they were designed by the same people with the same purpose.

^^^^^^6That is my thinking too.

Alexus · 07-20-2009, 10:06 AM

Most people who will be buying this version will not be bringing it to the track, and this is a fact. Putting that into consideration, in the long run it is safe to say that even though the factory-installed bodykit for the Nismo-tuned 370Z provides additional downforce and aerodynamics, it's still just an appearance package and a rather poor attempt at it. In short, the 10k markup is unjustifiable on Nissan's part because if you factor things in, you're only getting 20 or so hp for that additional dough.

Lug · 07-20-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexus

Most people who will be buying this version will not be bringing it to the track, and this is a fact. Putting that into consideration, in the long run it is safe to say that even though the factory-installed bodykit for the Nismo-tuned 370Z provides additional downforce and aerodynamics, it's still just an appearance package and a rather poor attempt at it. In short, the 10k markup is unjustifiable on Nissan's part because if you factor things in, you're only getting 20 or so hp for that additional dough.

So you just get "additional downforce and aerodynamics" yet it's "just an appearance package" What else do you expect from a body kit?

Also, you forgot a few suspension additions that go with the 18 hp bump. That small power bump is bigger than previous NISMO's yet few were beotching about them to my memory. Once you add the cost of the upgraded wheels, upgraded suspension package, upgraded exhaust and Limited Slip diff (remember, the base unit you are comparing it to doesn't have it), plus limited availability together and then realize the NISMO 370Z is less that $500 more than the NISMO 350Z it replaces, you realize Nissan has done a good job at this price. Can you outperform it with aftermarket stuff? Sure........just like every factory tuned car in the history of the world.

juan05 · 07-20-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

So you just get "additional downforce and aerodynamics" yet it's "just an appearance package" What else do you expect from a body kit?

Also, you forgot a few suspension additions that go with the 18 hp bump. That small power bump is bigger than previous NISMO's yet few were beotching about them to my memory. Once you add the cost of the upgraded wheels, upgraded suspension package, upgraded exhaust and Limited Slip diff (remember, the base unit you are comparing it to doesn't have it), plus limited availability together and then realize the NISMO 370Z is less that $500 more than the NISMO 350Z it replaces, you realize Nissan has done a good job at this price. Can you outperform it with aftermarket stuff? Sure........just like every factory tuned car in the history of the world.

v+1

NIZMOZ · 07-20-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I do think the Nismo 350 had more going for it than the 370 Version does.

But do you think the Nismo 350 is faster than the Nismo 370 on a track? After all, they were designed by the same people with the same purpose.

No idea till we see that test.

SnakeBitten · 07-20-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

150lb at 70~ mph is A LOT! I can feel it on my Z when I am on the road course. It gets more traction and wants to grip the faster I go which is like the opposite of what it would normally do.

Sadly you are one that has never been on a track with a NISMO Z. There are many videos out there that already show how well the NISMO does with race slicks. No aftermarket Z has yet to handle as smooth and good.

But then again, the 370z has no body welds which is a huge difference in handling, so that might be enough for someone to blow off the NISMO this year.

You know what Ill give you that as Ive never tracked any Nismo Z. Im purely going off of Mag articles Ive read.

I concur on the smoothness from what Ive also heard of the 350z Nismo as it does have the dampers and the welds to really stiffen up the body and control flex etc. As you stated I dont know if thats why the 370z version isnt any faster than the regular model. More testing should reveal the truth.

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