Auto 370Z...Is it Good?

shabarivas · 07-16-2009, 06:02 PM

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

nicknick · 07-16-2009, 06:48 PM

Yeah, i currently drive an 06 prht MX5 6sp and love it but heavy stop/start traffic does get me annoyed, so when the time comes to purchase an auto will have to be test driven definitely. I guess having 2 manual cars might be too much as i would be holding onto the MX5. The Zed is such a great machine though and is untouchable here in Australia in terms of bang for your bucks.

tru_Asiatik · 07-16-2009, 08:46 PM

no offense but i dont get why ppl use the excuse that its a pain to drive manual in traffic
i live in LA where stop and go is normal on all the freeways especially the 405 and 101
im perfectly fine with my 6MT during stop and go even for hours and this is my first manual car....

mind you my last car was a celia gts with push button tiptronic on the wheel
and let me tell you i get more bored driving it in traffic since the car pretty much do all the driving

just my .02c

Trips · 07-16-2009, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatorfast

One isnt really "better" than the other. Its all about personal preference. At the end of the day, an auto is still an auto and same with the manual. If you really like rowing through the gears then there is no substitute for a manual transmission. If you get sick of using a clutch on a daily basis then the auto is for you.

My sentiments exactly drive what makes your experience the best.

ZSPEED · 07-17-2009, 07:53 AM

Here's what I was told by the 2 sales people, 1 might have been pushing to sell the 7At perhaps because it cost more, and another who didnt have a 7MT and wanted to push the 6MT at the Nissan dealership.
Reasons to get an 7At: Clutch and clucth assembly is not covered warrantee. If you end up burning your cluth by accident, you will end up forking out some serious $$ to replace it. while a 7At is covered by the warrantee and in case of problems, it is replaceable with no cost to you.
Reason to get a 6MT: Power with a 7AT is rated about 30% less than in a 6MT.
Does any of this make sense to any of you? I know I wasnt convinced.

Lug · 07-17-2009, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZSPEED

Here's what I was told by the 2 sales people, 1 might have been pushing to sell the 7At perhaps because it cost more, and another who didnt have a 7MT and wanted to push the 6MT at the Nissan dealership.
Reasons to get an 7At: Clutch and clucth assembly is not covered warrantee. If you end up burning your cluth by accident, you will end up forking out some serious $$ to replace it. while a 7At is covered by the warrantee and in case of problems, it is replaceable with no cost to you.
Reason to get a 6MT: Power with a 7AT is rated about 30% less than in a 6MT.
Does any of this make sense to any of you? I know I wasnt convinced.

The answer is.....find another dealership where they don't hire buffoons.

Trips · 07-17-2009, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZSPEED

Here's what I was told by the 2 sales people, 1 might have been pushing to sell the 7At perhaps because it cost more, and another who didnt have a 7MT and wanted to push the 6MT at the Nissan dealership.
Reasons to get an 7At: Clutch and clucth assembly is not covered warrantee. If you end up burning your cluth by accident, you will end up forking out some serious $$ to replace it. while a 7At is covered by the warrantee and in case of problems, it is replaceable with no cost to you.
Reason to get a 6MT: Power with a 7AT is rated about 30% less than in a 6MT.
Does any of this make sense to any of you? I know I wasnt convinced.

If that's true 7A owners just need to mod there cars 30% more to keep up to 6mt

Robert_Nash · 07-17-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

So even though I autocross mine with an AT I "arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt"? Are you the arbiter of what what qualities or what configuration of vehicle someone buys make "enough" of an enthusiast?

I call Bovine Scatology on that.

Go buy what makes you happy but no need to insult people who don't think precisely like you do.

wstar · 07-17-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

Oh right, I'm not enough of an enthusiast? How many miles have you put on your 6MT? How many hours have you spent in the garage working on it? Owning, modding, and driving this car has practically become a second part-time job for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik

no offense but i dont get why ppl use the excuse that its a pain to drive manual in traffic
i live in LA where stop and go is normal on all the freeways especially the 405 and 101
im perfectly fine with my 6MT during stop and go even for hours and this is my first manual car....

mind you my last car was a celia gts with push button tiptronic on the wheel
and let me tell you i get more bored driving it in traffic since the car pretty much do all the driving

just my .02c

There's no driving to actually do in stop and go traffic. You're just sitting there tailing someone at 5mph and hoping some idiot behind you doesn't doze off enough to rear-end you. So I don't see how the 6MT keeps you any less bored, unless you get excited by constantly slipping your clutch in and out of gear at low speed, gently wearing it out with every press.

The "and this is my first manual car" is telling too. Come back and tell us what you think after a few more years in that stop and go traffic. My last car was a 6MT, I drove it for 10 years, and most of that time I was commuting in Houston. At the beginning I made all kinds of justifications about how the 6MT was worth it, but by the end I was ready to throw in the towel. Most of my driving miles on that car were spent slipping the clutch in 5mph traffic, and it's hard to justify that for the 10% of the time when you get to open it up on a weekend cruise.

I don't even commute now because I work from home, but I still went with the 7AT because quite frankly it's the most kick-*** automatic I've ever driven, and Houston still has traffic that I occasionally have to wade through. 7 gears, a lower-geared 1st gear than your 6mt, and one less pedal to worry about, it's a win for me. I stay in M-mode all the time, and for all practical (and many not-so-practical) purposes it's basically like driving a manual without ever having to worry about the clutch.

"But, but, if you're not using a clutch, you're not a real driver..."

Yeah and if you're not rev-matching for yourself with a perfect heel-toe technique you're not either, so you always turn off your 6MT's SRM system right?... right?......

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZSPEED

Reason to get a 6MT: Power with a 7AT is rated about 30% less than in a 6MT.
Does any of this make sense to any of you? I know I wasnt convinced.

Yeah, your salespeople are dumbasses. You don't get 30% less power with the 7AT, not even close to that. IIRC based on my numbers and Semtex's a while back when we had similar mod lists, we were about 5-7% apart in rwhp, and that doesn't even account for the fact that we don't know how the engine mfg variance issues affect our two cars, much less different dyno in different weather.

whoady4shoady · 07-17-2009, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar

Oh right, I'm not enough of an enthusiast? How many miles have you put on your 6MT? How many hours have you spent in the garage working on it? Owning, modding, and driving this car has practically become a second part-time job for me.

There's no driving to actually do in stop and go traffic. You're just sitting there tailing someone at 5mph and hoping some idiot behind you doesn't doze off enough to rear-end you. So I don't see how the 6MT keeps you any less bored, unless you get excited by constantly slipping your clutch in and out of gear at low speed, gently wearing it out with every press.

The "and this is my first manual car" is telling too. Come back and tell us what you think after a few more years in that stop and go traffic. My last car was a 6MT, I drove it for 10 years, and most of that time I was commuting in Houston. At the beginning I made all kinds of justifications about how the 6MT was worth it, but by the end I was ready to throw in the towel. Most of my driving miles on that car were spent slipping the clutch in 5mph traffic, and it's hard to justify that for the 10% of the time when you get to open it up on a weekend cruise.

I don't even commute now because I work from home, but I still went with the 7AT because quite frankly it's the most kick-*** automatic I've ever driven, and Houston still has traffic that I occasionally have to wade through. 7 gears, a lower-geared 1st gear than your 6mt, and one less pedal to worry about, it's a win for me. I stay in M-mode all the time, and for all practical (and many not-so-practical) purposes it's basically like driving a manual without ever having to worry about the clutch.

"But, but, if you're not using a clutch, you're not a real driver..."

Yeah and if you're not rev-matching for yourself with a perfect heel-toe technique you're not either, so you always turn off your 6MT's SRM system right?... right?......

Yeah, your salespeople are dumbasses. You don't get 30% less power with the 7AT, not even close to that. IIRC based on my numbers and Semtex's a while back when we had similar mod lists, we were about 5-7% apart in rwhp, and that doesn't even account for the fact that we don't know how the engine mfg variance issues affect our two cars, much less different dyno in different weather.

Direct hit to a nerve.............

Balzdeep · 07-17-2009, 03:11 PM

I thought the autos are running better times stock for stock??

kannibul · 07-17-2009, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

Sometimes it's a matter of what the dealer has in stock and will "wheel and deal" with, than have to pull something from another dealer (or order from Nissan) and won't give any sort of deal.

With something like a Mustang GT - it'd be easy enough to get what you want by telling the dealer to STFU and haul it in and wait a few days while they pull it from another dealer lot, and they might drop it off MSRP for you since they are a dime a dozen (relatively speaking)...

kannibul · 07-17-2009, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZSPEED

Here's what I was told by the 2 sales people, 1 might have been pushing to sell the 7At perhaps because it cost more, and another who didnt have a 7MT and wanted to push the 6MT at the Nissan dealership.
Reasons to get an 7At: Clutch and clucth assembly is not covered warrantee. If you end up burning your cluth by accident, you will end up forking out some serious $$ to replace it. while a 7At is covered by the warrantee and in case of problems, it is replaceable with no cost to you.
Reason to get a 6MT: Power with a 7AT is rated about 30% less than in a 6MT.
Does any of this make sense to any of you? I know I wasnt convinced.

7AT is quicker in the 1/4 mile and 0-60.

You don't get that by having 30% less being put on the ground.

Robert_Nash · 07-17-2009, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoady4shoady

Direct hit to a nerve.............

Hitting a "nerve"???

Maybe people just don't like being insulted.

Modshack · 07-17-2009, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

So now that we know you're a bigot, the question is, do you beat your wife too?

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shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

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nicknick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 438 Drives: Mazda mx5 2007 6sp m Rep Power: 16	Yeah, i currently drive an 06 prht MX5 6sp and love it but heavy stop/start traffic does get me annoyed, so when the time comes to purchase an auto will have to be test driven definitely. I guess having 2 manual cars might be too much as i would be holding onto the MX5. The Zed is such a great machine though and is untouchable here in Australia in terms of bang for your bucks.

07-17-2009, 07:53 AM	#35 (permalink)
ZSPEED Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NOVA Posts: 67 Drives: 370 40th Anniversary Rep Power: 15	Here's what I was told by the 2 sales people, 1 might have been pushing to sell the 7At perhaps because it cost more, and another who didnt have a 7MT and wanted to push the 6MT at the Nissan dealership. Reasons to get an 7At: Clutch and clucth assembly is not covered warrantee. If you end up burning your cluth by accident, you will end up forking out some serious $$ to replace it. while a 7At is covered by the warrantee and in case of problems, it is replaceable with no cost to you. Reason to get a 6MT: Power with a 7AT is rated about 30% less than in a 6MT. Does any of this make sense to any of you? I know I wasnt convinced.