Auto 370Z...Is it Good?

shabarivas · 07-16-2009, 06:02 PM

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

nicknick · 07-16-2009, 06:48 PM

Yeah, i currently drive an 06 prht MX5 6sp and love it but heavy stop/start traffic does get me annoyed, so when the time comes to purchase an auto will have to be test driven definitely. I guess having 2 manual cars might be too much as i would be holding onto the MX5. The Zed is such a great machine though and is untouchable here in Australia in terms of bang for your bucks.

tru_Asiatik · 07-16-2009, 08:46 PM

no offense but i dont get why ppl use the excuse that its a pain to drive manual in traffic
i live in LA where stop and go is normal on all the freeways especially the 405 and 101
im perfectly fine with my 6MT during stop and go even for hours and this is my first manual car....

mind you my last car was a celia gts with push button tiptronic on the wheel
and let me tell you i get more bored driving it in traffic since the car pretty much do all the driving

just my .02c

Robert_Nash · 07-17-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

So even though I autocross mine with an AT I "arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt"? Are you the arbiter of what what qualities or what configuration of vehicle someone buys make "enough" of an enthusiast?

I call Bovine Scatology on that.

Go buy what makes you happy but no need to insult people who don't think precisely like you do.

wstar · 07-17-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

Oh right, I'm not enough of an enthusiast? How many miles have you put on your 6MT? How many hours have you spent in the garage working on it? Owning, modding, and driving this car has practically become a second part-time job for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik

no offense but i dont get why ppl use the excuse that its a pain to drive manual in traffic
i live in LA where stop and go is normal on all the freeways especially the 405 and 101
im perfectly fine with my 6MT during stop and go even for hours and this is my first manual car....

mind you my last car was a celia gts with push button tiptronic on the wheel
and let me tell you i get more bored driving it in traffic since the car pretty much do all the driving

just my .02c

There's no driving to actually do in stop and go traffic. You're just sitting there tailing someone at 5mph and hoping some idiot behind you doesn't doze off enough to rear-end you. So I don't see how the 6MT keeps you any less bored, unless you get excited by constantly slipping your clutch in and out of gear at low speed, gently wearing it out with every press.

The "and this is my first manual car" is telling too. Come back and tell us what you think after a few more years in that stop and go traffic. My last car was a 6MT, I drove it for 10 years, and most of that time I was commuting in Houston. At the beginning I made all kinds of justifications about how the 6MT was worth it, but by the end I was ready to throw in the towel. Most of my driving miles on that car were spent slipping the clutch in 5mph traffic, and it's hard to justify that for the 10% of the time when you get to open it up on a weekend cruise.

I don't even commute now because I work from home, but I still went with the 7AT because quite frankly it's the most kick-*** automatic I've ever driven, and Houston still has traffic that I occasionally have to wade through. 7 gears, a lower-geared 1st gear than your 6mt, and one less pedal to worry about, it's a win for me. I stay in M-mode all the time, and for all practical (and many not-so-practical) purposes it's basically like driving a manual without ever having to worry about the clutch.

"But, but, if you're not using a clutch, you're not a real driver..."

Yeah and if you're not rev-matching for yourself with a perfect heel-toe technique you're not either, so you always turn off your 6MT's SRM system right?... right?......

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZSPEED

Reason to get a 6MT: Power with a 7AT is rated about 30% less than in a 6MT.
Does any of this make sense to any of you? I know I wasnt convinced.

Yeah, your salespeople are dumbasses. You don't get 30% less power with the 7AT, not even close to that. IIRC based on my numbers and Semtex's a while back when we had similar mod lists, we were about 5-7% apart in rwhp, and that doesn't even account for the fact that we don't know how the engine mfg variance issues affect our two cars, much less different dyno in different weather.

whoady4shoady · 07-17-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Oh right, I'm not enough of an enthusiast? How many miles have you put on your 6MT? How many hours have you spent in the garage working on it? Owning, modding, and driving this car has practically become a second part-time job for me.

There's no driving to actually do in stop and go traffic. You're just sitting there tailing someone at 5mph and hoping some idiot behind you doesn't doze off enough to rear-end you. So I don't see how the 6MT keeps you any less bored, unless you get excited by constantly slipping your clutch in and out of gear at low speed, gently wearing it out with every press.

The "and this is my first manual car" is telling too. Come back and tell us what you think after a few more years in that stop and go traffic. My last car was a 6MT, I drove it for 10 years, and most of that time I was commuting in Houston. At the beginning I made all kinds of justifications about how the 6MT was worth it, but by the end I was ready to throw in the towel. Most of my driving miles on that car were spent slipping the clutch in 5mph traffic, and it's hard to justify that for the 10% of the time when you get to open it up on a weekend cruise.

I don't even commute now because I work from home, but I still went with the 7AT because quite frankly it's the most kick-*** automatic I've ever driven, and Houston still has traffic that I occasionally have to wade through. 7 gears, a lower-geared 1st gear than your 6mt, and one less pedal to worry about, it's a win for me. I stay in M-mode all the time, and for all practical (and many not-so-practical) purposes it's basically like driving a manual without ever having to worry about the clutch.

"But, but, if you're not using a clutch, you're not a real driver..."

Yeah and if you're not rev-matching for yourself with a perfect heel-toe technique you're not either, so you always turn off your 6MT's SRM system right?... right?......

Yeah, your salespeople are dumbasses. You don't get 30% less power with the 7AT, not even close to that. IIRC based on my numbers and Semtex's a while back when we had similar mod lists, we were about 5-7% apart in rwhp, and that doesn't even account for the fact that we don't know how the engine mfg variance issues affect our two cars, much less different dyno in different weather.

Direct hit to a nerve.............

Robert_Nash · 07-17-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by whoady4shoady

Direct hit to a nerve.............

Hitting a "nerve"???

Maybe people just don't like being insulted.

whoady4shoady · 07-17-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Hitting a "nerve"???

Maybe people just don't like being insulted.

I just think people take it to seriously. It is just a car, and everyone should just get what they like no matter what others think. I think the auto gearbox/interface of the interior looks girly, and out of place. That is my opinion. Take it how you will, but buy what makes you happy.

Robert_Nash · 07-17-2009, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoady4shoady

I just think people take it to seriously. It is just a car, and everyone should just get what they like no matter what others think. I think the auto gearbox/interface of the interior looks girly, and out of place. That is my opinion. Take it how you will, but buy what makes you happy.

There isn't any excuse for insulting people whether you are talking about cars or anything else.

Saying you don't like and didn't buy an AT because you think the "gearbox/interface of the interior looks girly" is not an insult, wrong maybe but not an insult.

However, telling people they bought ATs because they "aren't enough of an enthusiast" is insulting to anybody who has an AT.

kannibul · 07-17-2009, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoady4shoady

I just think people take it to seriously. It is just a car, and everyone should just get what they like no matter what others think. I think the auto gearbox/interface of the interior looks girly, and out of place. That is my opinion. Take it how you will, but buy what makes you happy.

I think playing with a stick is kind of ghey...

Does that make you feel better?

Modshack · 07-17-2009, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoady4shoady

I think the auto gearbox/interface of the interior looks girly, and out of place. That is my opinion. Take it how you will, but buy what makes you happy.

Ha ha! I think the problem here is,.....

tru_Asiatik · 07-17-2009, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar

There's no driving to actually do in stop and go traffic. You're just sitting there tailing someone at 5mph and hoping some idiot behind you doesn't doze off enough to rear-end you. So I don't see how the 6MT keeps you any less bored, unless you get excited by constantly slipping your clutch in and out of gear at low speed, gently wearing it out with every press.

The "and this is my first manual car" is telling too. Come back and tell us what you think after a few more years in that stop and go traffic. My last car was a 6MT, I drove it for 10 years, and most of that time I was commuting in Houston. At the beginning I made all kinds of justifications about how the 6MT was worth it, but by the end I was ready to throw in the towel. Most of my driving miles on that car were spent slipping the clutch in 5mph traffic, and it's hard to justify that for the 10% of the time when you get to open it up on a weekend cruise.

I don't even commute now because I work from home, but I still went with the 7AT because quite frankly it's the most kick-*** automatic I've ever driven, and Houston still has traffic that I occasionally have to wade through. 7 gears, a lower-geared 1st gear than your 6mt, and one less pedal to worry about, it's a win for me. I stay in M-mode all the time, and for all practical (and many not-so-practical) purposes it's basically like driving a manual without ever having to worry about the clutch.

"But, but, if you're not using a clutch, you're not a real driver..."

Yeah and if you're not rev-matching for yourself with a perfect heel-toe technique you're not either, so you always turn off your 6MT's SRM system right?... right?......

sorry i didnt clarify the z is my first manual car i own been driving manual since i was 12(no age laws in the philippines-well at least back when i was a kid)
i love driving stick so i never get bored, traffic or no traffic
the only reason i have AT in the pass is because the cars ive had where eithier had me downs from my parents or it was a commnity car meaning i had to share with other people who didnt drive MT

so when i finally decided on the z(which is all mine lol) i said to myself MT or bust

anywho i am not saying you shouldnt get AT

the point i was trying to prove was get what you know you would enjoy
i know 10 yrs from now you would still not hear me complain about driving MT in traffic

Robert_Nash · 07-17-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik

...i know 10 yrs from now you would still not hear me complain about driving MT in traffic

Oh yeah?

Well if your crystal ball works that well then tell me what penny stocks I should buy today that will be the next IBM and Microsoft in ten years!!!

tru_Asiatik · 07-18-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Oh yeah?

Well if your crystal ball works that well then tell me what penny stocks I should buy today that will be the next IBM and Microsoft in ten years!!!

cant tell others future but i can tell mine
i dont know why its so hard to understand that i will never get tired of driving manual
like what i said been driving since 12 and im 31 now so do the math

XwChriswX · 07-18-2009, 01:32 AM

My biggest question concerning the difference between AT or MT has been from my hopes to make it (maybe not the most super modded out there because my wallet can't keep up with my HP goals lol) a decent performance vehicle. In which I would really like to put a turbo kit on it and do all of the normal things people would do... However, again those people (no names) who think MT is the be all end all of performance, would shun anyone rolling up in an TT'd AT. Am I wrong for thinking having an automatic car with a high HP output isn't a bad thing? And unless your across the strip from John Force, I can't imagine anyone being able to keep up with the shift times of an auto right? Cause isn't that the main drawback of a turbo is lag? So taking your foot off the gas, clutch, back on the gas... as short as that difference maybe, could effect the outcome of a race right?

Forgive me if these comments are noted in another section, just this was the one I was reading right now and didn't wanna derail my train of thought to search for that one lol.

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07-16-2009, 06:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 916	go drive a MT w/ the rev match... drive an AT - its quite simple really... chances are if you are an enthusiast you will get the mt... if you bitch and moan about heavy traffic - then you probably arnt enough of an enthusiast to get the mt so get the at...

07-16-2009, 06:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
nicknick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 438 Drives: Mazda mx5 2007 6sp m Rep Power: 18	Yeah, i currently drive an 06 prht MX5 6sp and love it but heavy stop/start traffic does get me annoyed, so when the time comes to purchase an auto will have to be test driven definitely. I guess having 2 manual cars might be too much as i would be holding onto the MX5. The Zed is such a great machine though and is untouchable here in Australia in terms of bang for your bucks.

07-18-2009, 01:32 AM	#15 (permalink)
XwChriswX WFLYIDNNE Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: In The Fastlane Posts: 50,648 Drives: 02 GDB WRX Rep Power: 453	My biggest question concerning the difference between AT or MT has been from my hopes to make it (maybe not the most super modded out there because my wallet can't keep up with my HP goals lol) a decent performance vehicle. In which I would really like to put a turbo kit on it and do all of the normal things people would do... However, again those people (no names) who think MT is the be all end all of performance, would shun anyone rolling up in an TT'd AT. Am I wrong for thinking having an automatic car with a high HP output isn't a bad thing? And unless your across the strip from John Force, I can't imagine anyone being able to keep up with the shift times of an auto right? Cause isn't that the main drawback of a turbo is lag? So taking your foot off the gas, clutch, back on the gas... as short as that difference maybe, could effect the outcome of a race right? Forgive me if these comments are noted in another section, just this was the one I was reading right now and didn't wanna derail my train of thought to search for that one lol.