The next gen Z!

cavemancan

I'm not a Mustang fan. It took them 4 billion years to get rid of the live axcel and when they did they practically charge corvette money for it. Puke-A-Licious

Truth be told if Nissan does not shock and awe me I will be getting a used Porsche or BMW M3 next. I would rather have an affordable racer though but we shall see.

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fullmonty

Ditto, I'm pretty happy with the power and handling but I'm far from a racer or anything like that. But unless the next gen. Z is something outstanding I'll be going to BMW or even possibly a Mustang again.

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SS_Firehawk

You all are insane if you bought this car and didn't think it's outstanding, or you already bought the wrong car for you. And you cannot possibly be serious about a V8 not being able to fulfill the role of powering this vehicle. Let me just shake this down for you

The VK56VD is an already built and engineered direct injected and running VVEL. It's sitting in trucks and luxury cars in a very detuned state. The power curve is comical when compared to any NA V8 it squares off against (Coyote ,Tau, LSx). What you guys want in a Turbo V6, that motor does in spades. All of this cheap modifications for power your talking about? It's easy pickings when you mod a V8, let alone a 5.6 liter. That torque you've all been moaning about, yea, it's all there, off idle, no lag, no waiting for turbo's. In a 3800lbs-4,000lbs car, it's already getting 26mpg.

These last few posts were just comical. You all fail to realize some of the best sports cars in the world use V8's, they don't turn into Mustangs because it had one. It won't weigh any more than the turbo's and intercoolers you want to put on.

There really is not a replacement for displacement when it comes to performance. Turbo's? Put that on the VK56VD and watch it make 600+whp with less than 5psi. Oh you don't want turbo's on it? Some bolt on's and it should easily push 500whp without touching the motor.

This thing made 380whp and it didn't even get to redline! Lost cause man.
I give up, I'm talking to a lost cause. It's like that bum you try to help and he is so f@cked up in the head, he can't comprehend your helping him. That's how I feel. (Not like the bum lol)

Last time I checked, the Vettes are dominating GT class races on a detuned motor. <<<

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peleincubus

i have read the entire thread. thanks for the all the info.

the question i have though what are the signs of when this may come out? i would assume no sooner then mid 2014 to somewhere around the end of 2015.

sounds like a long time away

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cavemancan

Is it outstanding? Depends...for the money and what you get out of the package...Hell Yes! Knowing they could have designed it better...then not really outstanding. I love my car but coming from a slightly built car previously I can tell you it handled better then the 370z (puts on flame suit). This not to say if I do a little work to the Z I can bring it up and beyond that level though. MY BIGGEST point here is dropping a heavier engine in a car that is already front heavy is a mistake. Can the heavier weight be compensated with suspension? Yes...crap load of negative camber up front with an expensive suspension. However, it is not the right way to do things dude sorry. THE ONLY 2 ways I would agree with a v8 is if they also install a rear mounted transmission like they do in the Corvette's and other Super Cars to compensate for engine and passenger weight or they redesign the current Nissan v8 to be lighter then the 3.7 VQ but we all know this is impossible with the current price point.

Look I am not saying that your views are wrong. I will say they are misguided. An engine to engine comperison is not valid here. Nissan engineers total packages and thus all components need to work together in harmony to create something special. I WISH they would install the 5.6 v8 WITH a rear mounted transmission to even out weight distribution. The Z would be marveled all over the world in it's bad arsedness! This wont happen...too much money (Nissan please prove me wrong here!!!!).

With Nissan making the chasis lighter a ligher motor is mandatory or else chasis and suspension engineering will be a pain in the butt and much more expensive. If the engine goes heavier you run the risk of crappy mustang handling (not including Boss 302).

Really!?!? LOL!! Comeon dude!

Let's name some examples of value (Price point is the key here) V8 sports cars that fall in the handling category:

- Base Corvette - $49,600
- Mustang Boss 302 - $42,995 - $49,990

Thats it...Dont include the Pontiac GTO's or the Holden's or even a Camero (ZL1 is way to expensive) cause they all suck handling wise with exception to the ZL1 which is way out of this price point.

Now what do those cars have that we dont?

Vette: rear mounted transmission with epically expensive suspension and really lightweight v8 (lighter then the VQ).
Boss 302: expensive adjustable suspension, they had to add a multilink suspension in the rear, it's a heavy car (3632 lbs).

The point here is Nissan spent it's money on the chasis instead of adding horse power and extensive suspension improvements compared to the Mustang and the Vette well they did it right but both cars cost on average between $10k and up to $17k more then the Z does today. Thats the cost of v8 power and handling the way you want it. If Nissan can keep the Z under $40k and do what corvette has done then go for it I'll be there to buy it.


Just say it...your a muscle car guy. It's ok.

I refer back to my previous agrument above regarding this is not about power on it's own.

What happened when they put in bigger engines?
- Tire companies started making more money
- Muscle car fans were happier going in a strait line
- Drifting could have REALLY taken off if they knew what it was
- Cars became poorly balanced and had shitty handling

The Cobra was the only exception but that car was engineered to the best ability and technology available those days. Even then that car was impossible to drive considering how easily it could kill you...I want one! LOL!

You know the funny part? We agree but for different reasons. I agree with you a v8 would be epic but not if Nissan can't afford to do it right. You agree a v8 would be epic and think Nissan could do it right at the current price point. Someone please prove me wrong or else a low displacement turbo engine will be in our future.

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SS_Firehawk

Haha. I don't think they can maintain the current price point. The V8 would be a $40k+ car. Thats why I still vouch having a V6 option. I just want to moar faster!

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cavemancan

I think I'm joining you...everyone is in LALA land here LOL! I can't believe anyone would be in there right mind to compare our car to a Mustang (sorry if your a fan...I'm alergic to sold axels and bad handling).

EDIT...My GAWD...some of the comments about Mustangs are making me laugh I can't take it!

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SS_Firehawk

I actually have a distaste for everything about them, but their motor is pretty delicious.

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b1adesofcha0s

You do realize that the new mustangs are faster than a Z in a straight line and around a track, right? Hate them all you want, but it won't change the fact that it will post better lap times than the Z.

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SS_Firehawk

Not for a few years.

Link the dyno's I'm referring to from Edmonds Inside line that were done, all on the same dyno.

M56 vs Coyote


TAU, LS3,Coyote



THIS IS THE BEST OPTION OF THE 3, though I feel it probably won't happen.

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b1adesofcha0s

V8 Z would be bad azz and would make me consider getting another Z next instead of the next gen 5.0 or C7. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Nissan modify the VQ37 a bit and just stick that in the new Z. Give it DI or something for a little bit more power/fuel efficiency and be done with it.

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Chteelers

When in the entire history of automobiles has the next generation of a popular, long running model ever made the huge performance leap you V8-promotors are suggesting? Suddenly going from 330hp to 500hp? That's completely absurd.

A jump to 360 or 380, maybe even to 400hp would be more than plenty. Remember that we all bought the Z for its handling prowess. Higher output engines require stronger chassis (more weight), more cooling (more weight), more NVH damping (more weight), stronger driveline components (more weight), the list goes on. Of course all those can be overcome with more expensive engineering (ala Porsche 911, Corvette, etc), but that takes the Z into a class above the $30K market.

SS_Firehawk

And Turbo's don't? I would be embarrassed in a turbo V6 making 400hp in today's age of sports cars. A NA 380-400 hp V6 would still be something special. I'm pretty sure the first year Corvettes came with a wimpy a$$ straight 6. It made the jump. May not have been legendary at the time, but it still made the change. Look what happened in the 60's when they started shoehorning massive engines in small cars. I'm pretty sure manufacturers are doing the equivalent, but with turbo's. The Mustang gained 100hp from one model year to the next. I'm not saying your wrong, but I'm arguing the absurd statement.

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b1adesofcha0s

The Mustangs jumped about 100 hp for the 2011 MY. 500 HP Z isn't happening any time soon, especially with the GT-R sitting around 550 HP currently. I think at most we'd see something around 400 HP. The current Nismo is at 350 HP right now so 400 HP would be a decent sized jump without being too crazy.

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peleincubus

i would be surprised if it made it to 400 hp. maybe 370-380 would be my guess.

i would take that and be happy