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Stock for stock, the FR-S can't match with the Z. However, I don't see a lot of FR-S buyers staying stock for long. I guess the real question is what would you prefer an F.I. FR-S or a Z. I think the FR-S, minus the power department, is a way better platform to start with. They don't have to worry about cracking VVEL .
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^They're the same car so no it wasn't built to battle with each other lol. I agree though, the FRS/BRZ is on a completely different class... doubt it could take on the Z
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Stock for stock, the FR-S can't match with the Z. However, I don't see a lot of FR-S buyers staying stock for long. I guess the real question is what would you prefer an F.I. FR-S or a Z. I think the FR-S, minus the power department, is a way better platform to start with. They don't have to worry about cracking VVEL .
I don't know if that's exactly the case. It's kind of moot to start comparing modded vs stock. I think the Z is a great platform if you plan on going F.I. as a few members have show. You would run into the same old issues with the FR-S/BRZ going with F.I. Also, at the moment, no one really knows how much power the 4U-GSE / FA20 boxer engine can handle without significant upgrade to the block. I think Greddy has a kit that's suppose to get close to 340hp/325 ft.lb....not bad...but nothing close to what you'd get with a TT'ed 370z. Being so new, aftermarket products for the BRZ/FR-S is going to be pretty sparse for a while. FR-S/BRZ buyers may not stay stock for long, but I think most will only do the same old intake/exhaust mods. I doubt a lot will jump on voiding the warranty off the bat with a forced induction.
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I don't know if that's exactly the case. It's kind of moot to start comparing modded vs stock. I think the Z is a great platform if you plan on going F.I. as a few members have show. You would run into the same old issues with the FR-S/BRZ going with F.I. Also, at the moment, no one really knows how much power the 4U-GSE / FA20 boxer engine can handle without significant upgrade to the block. I think Greddy has a kit that's suppose to get close to 340hp/325 ft.lb....not bad...but nothing close to what you'd get with a TT'ed 370z. Being so new, aftermarket products for the BRZ/FR-S is going to be pretty sparse for a while. FR-S/BRZ buyers may not stay stock for long, but I think most will only do the same old intake/exhaust mods. I doubt a lot will jump on voiding the warranty off the bat with a forced induction.

Fair points for the most part, though I'm not sure I'd call the z a great platform for FI, considering we still haven't seen anyone able to harness the power.

It's possible (fairly likely) the brz will have some issues itself, but I expect you won't have anywhere near the same challenges as the z (especially dissipating extra heat on a road course)
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Being so new, aftermarket products for the BRZ/FR-S is going to be pretty sparse for a while.
I'm not sure I agree. Scion has always made car mods a part of their advertising, and Scooby's get modded all the time. I think it's just a matter of time before their aftermarket explodes. Especially since their target demographic is younger males. 25k entry price, rwd platform... I don't know, I imagine big things on the aftermarket.

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I'm not sure I agree. Scion has always made car mods a part of their advertising, and Scooby's get modded all the time. I think it's just a matter of time before their aftermarket explodes. Especially since their target demographic is younger males. 25k entry price, rwd platform... I don't know, I imagine big things on the aftermarket.

I could be wrong, tho
It's going to be a while. They said the same thing about the Genesis coupe & 370z. I think they've squeezed all they can from this engine without going F.I. and I doubt you'll see much from a CAI and CBE. There's only so much bolt-on engine mods you can do.
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Went with my friend to Subaru cuz we were both interested in the brz, and I would 100% say the brz is direct competition with the fr-s, seeing how the salesman spent the entire time badmouthing the fr-s lol Talking about how it handles like crap and it doesn't feel right the entire time it's driven haha
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The sales guys were classic though. It seems the Subarus around here are trying to create the illusion the brz is super exclusive and rare, so we were told right away they only had 3 brzs on the lot but they were all sold already, so we could look at them from outside, but not inside. Also, if we ordered one that day, we probably wouldn't even get it until JANUARY.. it's that sought after. The best part was when I asked when they'd have one for test drive the guy goes "TEST DRIVE?!? HAH! THERE ARE NO TEST DRIVES! We can't even keep 1 unsold, let alone have one for demo!" I was like "umm so everyone that buys the brz just walks in and pays for it without driving it first?" and he goes, "yeah.. because people that really KNOW cars.. people that buy the brz.. they know. They just know. No one needs a test drive. If you really want a test drive, you can get one at Scion.. they'll have tonnes of fr-s around for test drive. Just know the experience will be inferior to the brz." at which point another salesman leans over and says, "It's true.. people don't request test drives for the brz since everywhere you look the car is just being raved over and it's known fact at this point the ride is just perfect."
How does he say the car is better and then tell you to test drive the other one for impressions in the same breath? Epic fail of a salesman.
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It's going to be a while. They said the same thing about the Genesis coupe & 370z. I think they've squeezed all they can from this engine without going F.I. and I doubt you'll see much from a CAI and CBE. There's only so much bolt-on engine mods you can do.
The engine bay for the FT86 is huge. You can fit a lot under there. Time will tell.
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