Come up to my neck of the woods where you have one or two dealers per brand. They offer a take it or leave it price because they know if you don't buy it someone else will pay their price. Yes, I could call dealers in Montreal (700 miles away to save maybe another $600 but that is chewed up in travelling to get the car). I'm probably done with buying new and the next car will be purchased in the States used in conjunction with a vacation.

Your dealers have a $600 ADM? :ugh2:

ADM? Anyway, local dealers have the attitude that giving you $500 off MSRP is a rare event and I should be so lucky to have that offered to me! Take it or leave it. If a dealer in Montreal who actually has competition from other dealers are only offering say $1100 off MSRP then I save an additional $600 over the local dealer. Not worth the effort even if it were $1500 off. I have yet to see documented proof of anyone buying a new, not a leftover from the previous year, 370Z at or below invoice in Canada excluding Nissan specials. I did however buy the roadster when Nissan had a $10000 off MSRP - well below invoice and the timing was right.

Anyway, as for the topic at hand, I would trade my wife, err, her Z roadster, at the drop of a hat for a ZL1 - she won't. But next year, the ZL1 can be had topless! A few years down the road, I may see a trip south for a used ZL1 with warranty remaining.

The big thing when dealing with car deals is BE PATIENT.

Like I said, I was originally going to buy a 2SS/RS Camaro sight unseen back in 2009 on a pre-order. Had been working with a local dealer and had everything lined up. My buddy worked for GM and got me an employee discount code I could use on the car and GM approved it's use on a Camaro even though it was brand new.

The dealer wouldn't accept the code. Told me they could set their own pricing. I had my check book in hand ready to put the deposit down, and they let me walk out over a $2500 discount from MSRP.

I went and test drove the Challenger, they had employee price, $1000 cash back, and 0% financing making it about $7K off sticker. I bought it and never looked back.

Same thing on GT500s and whatever else. You just have to play hard ball with these dealers some times, or maybe wait an extra year. No biggie to me, I'll just continue to make payments to my savings account for that year and have an even bigger down payment, and get the car even cheaper the following year, of better yet find a low mileage used one that someone bought, couldn't afford, and turned back in.

Also here are some other things I find help


1. Pre approved loan - I listen to there rate. But I walked in knowing that I had a good rate

2. Negotiate everything separately - agree on a price of the car before you even talk trade in or financing

3. Negotiate price of car not monthly payments

4. Don't buy the extras - you can usually add an extended warranty later if you feel you need it.

5. Research the car before you go. Only thing A salesman is useful for is filling out the paperwork and giving me the keys. I find that most know very little beyond what is in the brochure.

Well it look like GM is having problems with the ZL1.


http://i.autoblog.com/2012/03/20/che...imited-2012-m/

Hmmmm, QA issue or marketing ploy to build hype......

GM makes more money if they sell more. Not holding production and limiting the number coming out.

i would go with a Z since the camaro is going to drink LOTS and LOTS of gas about $500/month and also you have that much power but wont be able to use it on the street. the 370z is lighter too.and cheaper, but its all on personal preffernce.

Word on the street is that to compete with the 2013 Mustang GT500, the bowtie boys have brought in the germans to add some extra farfegnugen to the ZL1. Don't let them know I told ya! :eek:

GT500 invoice pricing.

https://docs.google.com/file/preview...lJbzFZUQ&pli=1

the worst car I've ever owned was a camero, would never go back no matter how good the new ones are. There's a reason GM needed a bailout and Nissan didn't

Used to think like that but then I got with my girlfriend who only ever had domestics. She/We had her 2000 trans AM V8 for 10 years with no major issues. Had a 06 Vette for 4 years and no issues period. Currently she has a 2010 Camaro SS 6-speed, no issues for the last 2 years. Considering this track record I would have no problem getting a ZL1 or a Vette.

NO Dice
 

Camaro's and Mustang's are not for me I have never really liked American cars. I will stick to my awesome imports.