I want to trade 2010 nismo for a zl1 camaro
 

I got a nismo with less than 6000 miles on it and we are thinking of trading it for a new to be release camaro zl1 but im not sure about it yet so if you guys can help me decide i"ll apreciate it thanks///here are some of the zl1 stacs 580 hp,sport tuned suspension,20 in tires all around 6speed manual less than 3.5 to 60,$$ 56,000. ..any input would be helpful///

your going to be waiting a while... Report: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 production halted

It's nowhere near 3.5 to sixty. If you manage lower than low fours I will be surprised.

Well considering the ZL1 recorded 3.8 0-60 a 3.5 isn't that far fetched at all. With slicks I'd guarantee it would run 3.5 or better. There's NO reason to think it couldn't considering its power to weight ratio.

Low 4's? Please...

Fast car if muscle type is what you are looking for, for me I'll take less HP as I like the style of the Z better and it's way lighter, still would be on your a$$ at the track in corners, just would pull away at the straights..;)


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Best I saw was a 4.1 with car and driver, and they cut off the roll out, so more like 4.3. Worst was 4.7 by road and track.

Sounds like shitty driving to me.

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Not really, corvette is about 1,000# lighter, and has around 150bhp less and still only manages 3.95 in gm's most cooked tests. Noone has ever equalled them in oem configuration. I highly doubt the zl1 does 0-60 within 0.2 of the zr1. Not happening.

I still stand by shitty driving. I'd love to see 60' times for these slow 0-60 runs so we can see how badly the testers (or conditions) suck.

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I've heard bad things about the Camaro's build quality. Steered me away.

Nothing wrong with the build quality. It's built in the number one most productive and best quality plant in North America. :tup:

I don't think so...

I seen a 12' camaro SS. Interior is ramped up a lot. It definately has improved over the 10's & 11's I've driven. The external build quality is very good. As far as engine reliabilty. 2 of my camaro SS rentals have broken down on me. But that can be from rent-a-car abuse. Either way, I feel renting a car and it breaking down is proof that maybe the camaro folds if driven hard???

That said... I still think the camaro is a GORGEOUS car. Its the best looking rendering between the muscle car group. The revamped interior looks better than I thought it could. Torque response in a camaro feels stronger than a mustang even though the mustang ends up being faster... I'm sure the corvette suspension gives theZL1 an edge and right now this second... I'm sure it can give mustang something to fear. The lowest I seen on the ZL1 camaro was this or last months C&D. That was 3.9 seconds.

The extra 900 lbs on a camaro to a vette is meh to me. Camaro engineers really should find 300lbs to chop off. But I say, if you have a chance to buy what is going to be the rarest camaro out there? Go for it. The Z is awesome but its a different type of motorsports car so be sure that driving too fast of a car as a DD won't bore the shyt outta you.

Good luck man... you have good taste.:tup:

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The Z was beaten on the track by the camaro even in 2010 with the SS. The ZL-1 holds some type of record I can't recall now on the nurburgring. There's no way a Z is winniing on a track on the camaro. The ZL1 camaro could probably beat us with ONLY 3 wheels on the car.

Reliant Robin style. :icon17:

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Let me see, you work for the General in 'Shwa? I agree with your comment, btw.

Test conditions were less than optimal, but it ran a 12.3@119mph.
Neither the MPH, nor the 12.3 are anywhere near indicative of a 3.5 second 0-60 in a RWD vehicle of 4100#.

Look at the CTS-V. Same engine, same weight (within a few hp/within a few #).

You don't see them running 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, slicks or not.

Just think if you get a Camero you can see someone else like you every 10 feet.

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so on the camaro 0-60 is around 4 sec or les still pretty good to me but ill know more as soon as i take one for a test drive///thanks for all the input all good points,keep them coming and thanks again///

I don't, but my wife does. :tup:

Plus, my comment about the Factory's productivity and quality are fact. However, while the General can deliver a great vehicle(s), the after purchase service is horrendous.

So far, Nissan has been a worse experience for me than GM was, regarding after the fact treatment. Of course, I bought a corvette, not a camaro, and that came with a visit to the factory and the plant manager's personal cell # (and I was remembered by name when I called him a few weeks after my visit for some help). You won't get that from ANY other company other than perhaps Koenigsegg/Veyron or something.

2 seconds faster in the 60 and 25 mph top end is not worth the extra 20 grand.
imho. the 370 still looks better and is better built imo...

but if i had to choose between the two a stang or camaro can't believe i'm saying this i would go with GM

Is buy a boss or wait for the '14 mustang.

yeah. that's what i don't like about the zl1: i know the zl1 is faster but the 370z looks faster and for me, looks count a lot :)

Just test it and get what ever YOU like.

No matter how good the value of the ZL1 or how good is the production plant, you still have to wait until they start assembling it... and get a ORDER# from the dealer.

Ask Mr.Fire, he still have no idea when will he get a order# since he place an order more than a month ago.... :ugh2:

I was seriously under the impression that, the factory tour only comes with the ZR-1???

So what is your bad experience now convert? Unfortunately the Z doesn't come with any special treatment. What makes it special is the people who love them. As far as you going through what you went through in the ordering process. That was something you saw a lot of us go through for years. You been here long enough to know buying Z's isn't easy. The windshield thing? Well that could happen on any car. Has nissan treated you poorly? What haven't they done?

Since it crossed your mind at all I would say go get the Chevy. The real question is not whether or not it's a better car than the Z it's a matter of you not being satisfied with your Z or, as some might see it, not being loyal to the Z brand. If you're not happy then by all means continue the search. :tup:

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No, the factory tour is for anyone who spends the $415 to do it and buys a corvette.
Nissan has already comped me a 2/30k maintenance program because a tech scratched the underside of the sill on my car putting it on the rack. Their excuse? "Oh, you know them low ridings cars."
Fail.
Manager apologized and compress me a service program. Meh. It's a car and it will get scratches, but new? In service? No thanks. (The rockers are not available pre painted, so replacement is a no go.)

What did gm do when a similar issue arose on my z06?
The plant manager himself pulled a new, oem $1800 fender off the line and sent it immediately to my dealership and the owner himself apologized. The z06 had, and I don't know how or when, a slightly cracked fender. 1/4", but could spread. This is how gm handled it. Nissan can't do that. I don't even have a clue who runs the z plant even.

The bottom line is that Nissan is across the pond and you are just sol in America. Gm is here and can do something.

That said, its the corner/underside of the rocker panels, so ill just live with it. Road trash may or may not have the same effect ib a few years, anyway.

Don't forget the price difference that is paid between the Vette and the 370z. It's not like they are in the same league.

370z cost the same as a new base c6.

So you can get a brand new C6 for 32k and a grand sport for 35k??? Wow, when did this happen? Right now my dealer has a silver touring sport auto for 41k. Last I saw the base C6 was 49k.

I owned GM cars before... they may treat you like that on a $70,000 vette? But try that on a 33k camaro... its like a nun in a whorehouse. It ain't happening. Just like everything in life. It depends on your dealership. My dealership has taken care of everything I ask with litttle to no fuss.
When it comes to scratches, pre-inspect a car before you sign. They will fix anything if you haven't signed? Once you signed? You're done. Fixing scratches gets more difficult. This is true of all sub $50k cars. Sometimes you can find a dealer that will go above and beyond. But its not everywhere.
I know GT-R guys get a lot of preferential treatment at the dealership. The more you pay, the better they treat you.

I can get a decently optioned c6 for the price of my 370z.

C6's go low 40's with a few options, stripped GS goes mid 40's.

Both were after I signed. The 370z was caused during cbe install.

Back to the topic at hand, the ZL1 is a beast! It looks crazy aggressive and performs fantastically from the reviews I've read. Yes it's heavy, but that magno suspension works miracles for its handling. For under $60k, a ZR1 motor and magno shocks is a steal! On a track this car would smoke a Z. If you can afford it, why the hell not. Yes camaros might not be that rare, but the ZL1 sure doesn't look like a stock camaro.

Meh, it looks like the v6 with a body kit my local dealership sold a while back. Pix popped up a year ago on my fb page of zl1 clones. It's a camaro. Nuf said. Performance is awesome, but its nothing special in the looks dept. Imo

My mother lives in Oshawa and my brother in Courtice. Nice area. TO sux, plain and simple. Qualifier - I was born and raised there. TO guys, get outta there while you still can, lol!:driving: