I think my dealer covered up an accident.

msb3079 · 12-29-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thechidz

if they're really crooked they might try to pass the blame off on you saying you did the damage. That's what I would be paranoid about.

Well, yeah. If they are going to say they didn't do it, then that would be obvious. But if they're going to say it, they're going to say it either way.

Honestly... I think they'd be more likely to admit to me and take care of it with me, compared to them admitting fraud to Nissan, which would be a much bigger deal. Or something going to court. I feel like going to them, would give me more of a chance or an extra chance. Usually you go to the source first, then go from there. Almost like "chain of command".. I don't know...

kenchan · 12-29-2011, 02:24 PM

Ask for the car to be lemoned based on the findings at the bodyshop. Or trade in for a new or used car.

I'm alittle surprised you did not catch all of this during the delivery. Dealers will often times do repairs before delivery and consider it new. This is why I don't ever take delivery of the car until I do a test drive of the exact car I am buying and careful check.

gbrettin · 12-29-2011, 02:25 PM

You expected a new car and that is what they should have sold you. There is nothing wrong with getting what you paid for. Would you have bought it if you knew there was damage. They should have told you what the deal was upfront for better or worse. Heck, I'd make them pay for all lawyer fees too.

On the flip side... Maybe they could up your warranty to 100k bumper to bumper if you are good with the car.

Personally, I'd talk to the lawyer. I also like to talk a big game on the Interwebs.

kenchan · 12-29-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gbrettin

You expected a new car and that is what they should have sold you. There is nothing wrong with getting what you paid for. Would you have bought it if you knew there was damage. They should have told you what the deal was upfront for better or worse. Heck, I'd make them pay for all lawyer fees too.

On the flip side... Maybe they could up your warranty to 100k bumper to bumper if you are good with the car.

Personally, I'd talk to the lawyer. I also like to talk a big game on the Interwebs.

While it was repaired (typical since things can happen during transit) it was new and the work is warranted probably for the life of the vehicle to the original buyer. He also got a super discount. While I don't agree with their practice i dont think they did anything wrong. I think the buyer needs to be more diligent and lemoned the car long time ago.

like I said get the estimate and details of the damage. That may be your ticket out.

msb3079 · 12-29-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

While it was repaired (typical since things can happen during transit) it was new and the work is warranted probably for the life of the vehicle to the original buyer. He also got a super discount. While I don't agree with their practice i dont think they did anything wrong. I think the buyer needs to be more diligent and lemoned the car long time ago.

like I said get the estimate and details of the damage. That may be your ticket out.

REALLY?

You think I need to check out a NEW car more? I mean, it was NEW. It had small issues I knew of, that they took care of... but more that arose... and then more leading to this. It's just not acceptable.

It was sold as NEW - LEFTOVER. That does not mean major damage is acceptable. (without being informed of it).

I did get a lot off.. and for good reason. It was a 2009 ... 2011s were on their way in a few months, and had miles, etc. But not worth this other damage and not worth it never really being up to par. There are many many more details that I'm not really going into.

kenchan · 12-29-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by msb3079

REALLY?

You think I need to check out a NEW car more? I mean, it was NEW. It had small issues I knew of, that they took care of... but more that arose... and then more leading to this. It's just not acceptable.

It was sold as NEW - LEFTOVER. That does not mean major damage is acceptable. (without being informed of it).

yah, from my actual experience on another car i bought in the past, i learned that it is normal for dealers to repair cars and sell it new. like i said, i dont agree with their practice, but dealers do it all the time and i bet most people dont even know they are driving 'new' repaired cars.

and repetitive dealer visits for repairs, at least in my area, is opportunity to lemon the car and get a replacement.

Rui Z · 12-30-2011, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, from my actual experience on another car i bought in the past, i learned that it is normal for dealers to repair cars and sell it new. like i said, i dont agree with their practice, but dealers do it all the time and i bet most people dont even know they are driving 'new' repaired cars.

and repetitive dealer visits for repairs, at least in my area, is opportunity to lemon the car and get a replacement.

Im no lawyer, but that sounds illegal.

11Thumper · 12-30-2011, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by msb3079

REALLY?

You think I need to check out a NEW car more? I mean, it was NEW. It had small issues I knew of, that they took care of... but more that arose... and then more leading to this. It's just not acceptable.

It was sold as NEW - LEFTOVER. That does not mean major damage is acceptable. (without being informed of it).

I did get a lot off.. and for good reason. It was a 2009 ... 2011s were on their way in a few months, and had miles, etc. But not worth this other damage and not worth it never really being up to par. There are many many more details that I'm not really going into.

Yes, kenchan is right. You're buying a product and inspecting it is your job. It doesn't matter if it's a pair of jeans or a car. If you're laying down $35k for something take a little time to inspect it well. Sorry about your situation, I really am. This isn't rocket science though...

msb3079 · 12-29-2011, 02:31 PM

Thanks, guys. I mentioned on Twitter and Nissan has been in touch with me. I'll go down that route, first.

Rui Z · 12-29-2011, 02:31 PM

First, you need to get a thorough inspection on your car. Based on the findings you need to decide what to do, because if there is frame damage don't even bother going to the dealership. Get a lawyer.

msb3079 · 12-29-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z

First, you need to get a thorough inspection on your car. Based on the findings you need to decide what to do, because if there is frame damage don't even bother going to the dealership. Get a lawyer.

Good point. I keep forgetting about the frame part.

Apoc370z · 12-29-2011, 02:56 PM

Why not list out the things you think are wrong with the car? It could be a lot of things that could have caused all the problems.

Baer383 · 12-29-2011, 06:07 PM

In Georgia (I don't know about other states)a dealer can do $500 or under in repairs to a new car and by law they don't have to tell the customer.

Just cause the side was repainted it doesn't mean it was replaced some A'hole could have walked thru the parking lot and keyed the whole side.

Dealer's that have body shops usually give the new car salesman the est. and lets say it is $825 the new car manager knows that he will have to tell the cust. so the body shop discounts the price on paper to meet the $500 threshold.

Just a thought

Rui Z · 12-29-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383

In Georgia (I don't know about other states)a dealer can do $500 or under in repairs to a new car and by law they don't have to tell the customer.

Just cause the side was repainted it doesn't mean it was replaced some A'hole could have walked thru the parking lot and keyed the whole side.

Dealer's that have body shops usually give the new car salesman the est. and lets say it is $825 the new car manager knows that he will have to tell the cust. so the body shop discounts the price on paper to meet the $500 threshold.

Just a thought

There was no VIN number on the panels. That means they are not the original panels and would have cost way more than $500 to buy new panels and repaint.

Baer383 · 12-29-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z

There was no VIN number on the panels. That means they are not the original panels and would have cost way more than $500 to buy new panels and repaint.

I know I do body work for a living,I still don't think they replaced the whole side that would have been a $5000-$9000 repair a car with that much damage would be easy to detect with minimal looking.

12-29-2011, 02:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
gbrettin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 2,302 Drives: Tricycle Rep Power: 589151	You expected a new car and that is what they should have sold you. There is nothing wrong with getting what you paid for. Would you have bought it if you knew there was damage. They should have told you what the deal was upfront for better or worse. Heck, I'd make them pay for all lawyer fees too. On the flip side... Maybe they could up your warranty to 100k bumper to bumper if you are good with the car. Personally, I'd talk to the lawyer. I also like to talk a big game on the Interwebs. Last edited by gbrettin; 12-29-2011 at 02:26 PM. Reason: Spellcheck ftw.

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Rui Z Track Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: (.)(.) Posts: 931 Drives: 8====D Rep Power: 17	First, you need to get a thorough inspection on your car. Based on the findings you need to decide what to do, because if there is frame damage don't even bother going to the dealership. Get a lawyer. __________________

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Baer383 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lawrenceville,Ga Posts: 4,293 Drives: My foot up your azz Rep Power: 31	In Georgia (I don't know about other states)a dealer can do $500 or under in repairs to a new car and by law they don't have to tell the customer. Just cause the side was repainted it doesn't mean it was replaced some A'hole could have walked thru the parking lot and keyed the whole side. Dealer's that have body shops usually give the new car salesman the est. and lets say it is $825 the new car manager knows that he will have to tell the cust. so the body shop discounts the price on paper to meet the $500 threshold. Just a thought __________________ 2013 ZL1 754 rwhp 747 rwtq

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141522	Ask for the car to be lemoned based on the findings at the bodyshop. Or trade in for a new or used car. I'm alittle surprised you did not catch all of this during the delivery. Dealers will often times do repairs before delivery and consider it new. This is why I don't ever take delivery of the car until I do a test drive of the exact car I am buying and careful check.

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