2012s on lots....where are the oil coolers?

b1adesofcha0s · 10-18-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

or better yet kinda like Red_Zed saying he loves cars yet he drives a mustang...

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

or better yet kinda like Red_Zed saying he loves cars yet he drives a mustang...

I wondered how long that would take for you to one up with

kenchan · 10-18-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I wondered how long that would take for you to one up with

haha.

Alchemy · 10-18-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

or better yet kinda like Red_Zed saying he loves cars yet he drives a mustang...

Ooooh burn. They need to just equip the oil cooler and shut everybody up, especially the magazines.

esfourteen · 10-18-2011, 04:19 PM

Looks like the same cooler that comes standard on the 370 in hot climates (middle east)

Deadman · 10-18-2011, 04:29 PM

NISMO 21300-SS370 2009+ Nissan 370z Engine Oil Cooler
Your Price $780.00 *Includes Free Ground Shipping*

Category: Cooling - Oil Cooler
Make: Nissan
Model: 370Z (Z34)
Years: 2009+

Availability: Usually Ships in 1 to 2 Weeks
Product Code: NISMO-21300-SS370

http://www.nissanraceshop.com/produc...70z-21300ss370 0_o isnt this the same part #? something isnt right LOL

b1adesofcha0s · 10-18-2011, 04:30 PM

That part number is wrong as I stated earlier (I think it was in this thread). It refers to the aftermarket Nismo oil cooler.

Deadman · 10-18-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

That part number is wrong as I stated earlier (I think it was in this thread). It refers to the aftermarket Nismo oil cooler.

sorry didn't see your post.

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 04:31 PM

So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts.
*
The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems....
*
On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler.
Water cooled systems are going to tend to be more consistent in controlling temps...which lets you keep the oil in the optimal range.

*
It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone.

b1adesofcha0s · 10-18-2011, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts.
*
The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems....
*
On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler.
*
It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone.

So the aftermarket coolers that everyone has now are air-to-oil coolers, correct?

Red__Zed · 10-18-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

So the aftermarket coolers that everyone has now are air-to-oil coolers, correct?

Yes

kenchan · 10-18-2011, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil.

someone with an air cooled oil cooler mentioned something like his oil temp was steady at 180F on the street.

i'd like to be in 220 range (100C or higher) to rid moisture...

ImportConvert · 10-18-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

someone with an air cooled oil cooler mentioned something like his oil temp was steady at 180F on the street.

i'd like to be in 220 range (100C or higher) to rid moisture...

You don't need to be above 100C to rid moisture from the oil. Back when the Z06 had air/oil coolers, there was never any UOA's that showed too water in the oil that I recall anyone posting. They ran 130-160* normally.

Pharmacist · 10-18-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems....

why?

red6spd · 10-18-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

why?

I'm thinking its cause you will be passing your coolant which is suppose to be cooling your engine threw a cooler that has 280 degree oil flowing in it.

10-18-2011, 04:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
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b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 143	That part number is wrong as I stated earlier (I think it was in this thread). It refers to the aftermarket Nismo oil cooler. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

10-18-2011, 04:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 122	So, now that we finally have confirmation on the style of cooler to be offered on the Z, I want to offer up some thoughts. There is going to be a lot of bickering on both sides before long I am sure, but based on my experience with the handful of cars I've owned, here are some thoughts. * The Oil-to-water cooler will probably NOT be sufficient for serious track use. On the other hand, guys that don't have much experience out there will probably find it perfectly suitable. We will almost certainly have water temps as the concern now, rather than oil temps. I am curious to see if Nissan adjusts limp mode, as hitting 280* oil temps on a water cooled system would generate huge problems.... * On the other hand, it is absolutely excellent for most users. You get great daily-driveability, nice warm oil, and none of the (HUGE) risk that an air-cooled system generates. Apologies to those doing this, but it's absolutely an awful decision to run an air-cooled system without a pressure gauge. The risk of catastrophic engine failure from a fitting issue or a rock is huge, and definitely not worth it. The water-cooled system will only result in a coolant leak in the same situation--not really a big deal. Another nice perk is upgrading a radiator can help, and is not nearly as much a warranty concern as an air-to-oil cooler. Water cooled systems are going to tend to be more consistent in controlling temps...which lets you keep the oil in the optimal range. * It remains to be seen what other changes have been made to the system-- I am interested to see for sure whether this system just taps straight into the old radiator setup, or if they have changed anything else...regardless, this marks a huge step forward for Z drivers. Truly a shame Nissan didn't pony up the extra $30 a unit to put this on from the start...would have been a lot better for everyone. Last edited by Red__Zed; 10-18-2011 at 04:44 PM.

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Deadman Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 177 Drives: 2011 370z Base+S 6MT Rep Power: 16	NISMO 21300-SS370 2009+ Nissan 370z Engine Oil Cooler Your Price $780.00 Includes Free Ground Shipping Category: Cooling - Oil Cooler Make: Nissan Model: 370Z (Z34) Years: 2009+ Availability: Usually Ships in 1 to 2 Weeks Product Code: NISMO-21300-SS370 http://www.nissanraceshop.com/produc...70z-21300ss370 0_o isnt this the same part #? something isnt right LOL