Was looking to possibly buy a Shelby

theDreamer

When did I say I had the best car?
Guess what, I almost bought a Z06 before the 370z but felt it was a bit out of my price range at the time so I went conservative. Does not change the fact that I feel the technology in the Vette is old and needs to be updated. Yes the gear skip is to beat CAFE, but GM needs to invest in a future, not games to beat a system.

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FL 4Motion

soooo, about that shelby mustang...

toner123

I know right I got thread jacked about 5 pages ago lol.

ImportConvert

Stay tuned for when Ford actually puts some meat out back or you might as well buy a BOSS. At least it can put *most* of its power to work and the 0-100 times are within a tenth or two because of it.

FromG2Z

I really thought this thread was about GTR vs Vette's...

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cossie1600

I don't see why it has to change for the sake of changing if it can offer the same fuel mileage, emission and performance. It's the same reason why we have 18s and 19s on every car now even though 16s and 17s are just as good and if not better. You are paying 50-60K for a car that can perform like a 100K car. That is impressive by any standard. CAGS is only activated when you are rolling off the line slowly anyway. Unless you are taking it easy, you are not going to feel a single thing. It's overblown like the Prius runaway stories. Speaking of technology and Prius, now that is a car full of technology.

NASCAR Cup cars can run 9000RPM making 800HP+ with a carb on there!

ImportConvert

I have got 3K miles on my Z06 and hit CAGS less than a dozen times. There are VERY specific parameters, and in the Z06 and I assume the Viper, they are a lot harder to "hit" than in the F-body I had.

theDreamer

Congrats, Nascar motors are tuned to the very end and last how long? Not a huge Nascar fan,
The Prius technology is 10+ years and already way behind on technology. Might want to read up on modern battery technology. Now Toyota does have some new ideas coming down the pipeline, but not yet.

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cossie1600

NASCAR engines can go 600 miles (Coca Cola 600) running between 8000-9000RPM for virtually the whole race. Current F1 has 19 races with a 10 engine cap, each race is roughly 200 miles long. You don't have to like it, these are just facts. I personally can't stand the smell of leaded gas or the noise of the pushrod V8s, but I respect them for being great machines.

Prius is behind on technology? The last time I checked, Ford Escape's hybrid system and Altima's hybrid system are licensed through Toyota. Toyota also holds 2100+ patents on its synergy drive where Honda has half of that on their system. There is a reason why Prius is selling so much better than the Insight and the other hybrids. Also technology cost money, how do you expect to compete when you priced yourself out of the market. It's one of the reasons why Japanese sports cars died in the 90s. Supra/3000GT/NSX were over 50K, RX-7 TT/300ZX were approaching that level. It's not that Toyota doesn't have the technology, they are just smart enough not to price themselves out of the market (which I think you could say they did with the LFA). Lithium battery is great, but it cost nearly $4K more than the current setup. The current setup is also so reliable that people are getting 10+ years on them and they have offered 150K miles warranty on the CARBs cars for the batteries. It all comes down to cost and benefit. In the case of the LS motors, there is no benefit for GM to spend millions of dollars on a new motor when the current one is still competitive.

Also just for your reference, here is a dyno from a 350Z and a non Z06 C6. There is a big power difference between the two, that's the reason why you can bypass two gears driving in the city. 350's torque is basically the same as the 370 down low, the non Z06 C6 is a lot less than the Z06....



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If you think the LS engine is old, you might want to check with the Germans on their 911s........

Sorry OP for taking this way out of context.