Was looking to possibly buy a Shelby

FL 4Motion

soooo, about that shelby mustang...

toner123

I know right I got thread jacked about 5 pages ago lol.

ImportConvert

Stay tuned for when Ford actually puts some meat out back or you might as well buy a BOSS. At least it can put *most* of its power to work and the 0-100 times are within a tenth or two because of it.

FromG2Z

I really thought this thread was about GTR vs Vette's...

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cossie1600

I don't see why it has to change for the sake of changing if it can offer the same fuel mileage, emission and performance. It's the same reason why we have 18s and 19s on every car now even though 16s and 17s are just as good and if not better. You are paying 50-60K for a car that can perform like a 100K car. That is impressive by any standard. CAGS is only activated when you are rolling off the line slowly anyway. Unless you are taking it easy, you are not going to feel a single thing. It's overblown like the Prius runaway stories. Speaking of technology and Prius, now that is a car full of technology.

NASCAR Cup cars can run 9000RPM making 800HP+ with a carb on there!

ImportConvert

I have got 3K miles on my Z06 and hit CAGS less than a dozen times. There are VERY specific parameters, and in the Z06 and I assume the Viper, they are a lot harder to "hit" than in the F-body I had.

theDreamer

Congrats, Nascar motors are tuned to the very end and last how long? Not a huge Nascar fan,
The Prius technology is 10+ years and already way behind on technology. Might want to read up on modern battery technology. Now Toyota does have some new ideas coming down the pipeline, but not yet.

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cossie1600

NASCAR engines can go 600 miles (Coca Cola 600) running between 8000-9000RPM for virtually the whole race. Current F1 has 19 races with a 10 engine cap, each race is roughly 200 miles long. You don't have to like it, these are just facts. I personally can't stand the smell of leaded gas or the noise of the pushrod V8s, but I respect them for being great machines.

Prius is behind on technology? The last time I checked, Ford Escape's hybrid system and Altima's hybrid system are licensed through Toyota. Toyota also holds 2100+ patents on its synergy drive where Honda has half of that on their system. There is a reason why Prius is selling so much better than the Insight and the other hybrids. Also technology cost money, how do you expect to compete when you priced yourself out of the market. It's one of the reasons why Japanese sports cars died in the 90s. Supra/3000GT/NSX were over 50K, RX-7 TT/300ZX were approaching that level. It's not that Toyota doesn't have the technology, they are just smart enough not to price themselves out of the market (which I think you could say they did with the LFA). Lithium battery is great, but it cost nearly $4K more than the current setup. The current setup is also so reliable that people are getting 10+ years on them and they have offered 150K miles warranty on the CARBs cars for the batteries. It all comes down to cost and benefit. In the case of the LS motors, there is no benefit for GM to spend millions of dollars on a new motor when the current one is still competitive.

Also just for your reference, here is a dyno from a 350Z and a non Z06 C6. There is a big power difference between the two, that's the reason why you can bypass two gears driving in the city. 350's torque is basically the same as the 370 down low, the non Z06 C6 is a lot less than the Z06....



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If you think the LS engine is old, you might want to check with the Germans on their 911s........

Sorry OP for taking this way out of context.

BeachZTT

^^^ Hahahaha, check your pockets.

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m4a1mustang

Matt, your argument doesn't work. There's nothing wrong with the LS series of engines. In fact, the LS7 is a very modern take on a pushrod design. Just because it's an old design doesn't mean it's a bad one.

The truth of the matter is that with these big V8s, whether they are pushrod or OHC like my 5.0, you don't need to use but a couple gears to get around in normal driving. When I drive I usually shift from 1-4-6 and have plenty of get up and go thanks to the amount of low end torque this car has. The only reason it has a skip shift feature is so the morons at the EPA drive the thing correctly. There is NO need to go 1-2-3-4-5-6 in a car like my 5.0, let alone a C6 Z06.

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theDreamer

You said it yourself though, it is just a modern take on a old engine design.
I never said the engine was bad or horrible, I am just saying GM needs to focus on the future instead of constantly rebuilding from the past glory years.

Why am I limited to just NA motors? We are talking about all motors here, throw in V6TT or V6SC and they easily match the LS7 on all levels including cost, weight, MPG. This is the modern world, NA engines are just a small fraction, boost or variations of boost are easily competitive, just as cheap and offer equal (if not more most of the time) power with MPG.

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ImportConvert

Okay, the GT-R's engine/turbo's weigh over 600#. The LS9 makes way more power, and weighs around 500#. Lets go move for move.

GM is not "re-building glory-years". They are making the most power that can possibly be made in a 450# engine without incurring insane costs.

Why don't you do some research on it? Nothing even comes close to the LS7 for making 500+bhp N/A price-wise. I mean by tens of thousands of dollars.

Nothing makes as much as the LS9 in the production car world unless you want to include things like the Veyron, and kit-car type stuff. Then you would have to include Hennessey's "kit car".

My point is, for the cost of the LSX series engine, they are BY FAR the best performing powerplant you can buy when it comes to durability/power/weight/price, and easy as pie to upgrade even further, or leave alone and enjoy a 5/100 warranty.

Can you name another 600+bhp car that has a 5/100K mile warranty?

This argument is similar to what S2000 owners keep crowing about "hp/L".

Well since you lost the race, your opinion isn't worth much. That's the message GM is sending by producing the fastest production car in the world (regarding the 'Ring, which seems to be "the" standard now days). They did it all with 16 valves and 1 cam.

m4a1mustang

That goes against the formula of the Corvette.

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theDreamer

I am not saying go to a V6TT setup for the Corvette, I would never want to see the V8 disappear from that car. I am saying lets take a step back and look at making the best V8 using modern technology and that good ole American knowledge. I love the fact the LSx motors are so cheap and create lots of power, but lets bring it up against the world motors using newer technology and break the mold. Do something new & ground breaking.

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m4a1mustang

But why? When you continue to crush the competition with a street and race proven system, why do you need to change it up? I think the LS series motors are fantastic performers. Light, compact, extremely powerful and reliable. I see no need to change them when they continue to beat the piss out of everything else.

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