Z Totaled yesterday - Pics inside - Please advise! :(

kidkotic2001 · 07-02-2011, 05:05 PM

I am glad you are okay but that is super duper TOTALED.

I had my buddy hear who used to work for Allstate he said that is Totaled.

mspaun3 · 07-02-2011, 05:33 PM

Thanks for the info guys. Just hoping everything will be straightforward on Wednesday with no surprises.

whealy · 07-02-2011, 05:43 PM

Make sure if they total out you get the sales tax too. They always try to skip that.

Glad you are ok. And as a few have said total is a comparison to cost to repair against current value. Has nothing to do with what you owe. .Gap comes in when the car is totaled when you owe more than the current value the insurance had to pay. Without gap you have to come up with the difference. Obviously not a problem here. Good luck!

mspaun3 · 07-02-2011, 05:54 PM

Thanks whealy. Wasn't aware they would be on the hook for sales tax too, sweet!

whealy · 07-02-2011, 06:55 PM

Ya know I've made this comment in several forums over the years and I really was repeating what I had heard. So I thought I would look it up. Looks like you are supposed to get your sales tax back mspaun3 assuming you are in Florida. Hope you don't mind me posting on yoru thread

From Aug 2010 (Recouping expenses after your car is totaled | Insure.com)

When a car insurance company declares your vehicle a total loss after a crash, you might lose some hair because of the hassle. But you shouldn't lose your shirt. Car insurance companies are responsible for paying the actual cash value or market value of your vehicle so you can replace it with a similar one. In addition, they may also be responsible for other costs associated with purchasing a new vehicle, such as sales tax, title and vehicle registration.

Thirty-two states require car insurance companies to pay for the sales tax after you replace your crashed vehicle with a new or used one (see list). However, that doesn't necessarily mean insurers in those states are going to offer to pay sales tax up front. Nor does it mean insurers in states that don't require those reimbursements will refuse to pay. That's why it's important to ask your insurance company to reimburse you -- even if the state in which you live does not require it.

If you live in a state that requires auto insurance companies to reimburse you for these costs, it's important to make your request quickly. A number of states have a 30-day time limit for you to request reimbursement for these costs from the time that you purchase your replacement vehicle.

Your auto insurance company vs. theirsIf your state does not require auto insurers to reimburse you for sales tax costs when you purchase a car with a total-loss settlement, and you're dealing with another person's insurer, public policy is generally on your side, whether or not your state law requires it. If another motorist is at fault in the crash, public policy dictates that you can collect from that person's insurer all costs you incurred directly because of the crash -- including the costs associated with purchasing a new car after your old one is totaled. Also, your car insurance rates should not increase if the accident was not your fault.

The situation is similar if you make a claim under your own insurance policy and your state doesn't require insurers to reimburse you for those extra costs. Most collision and comprehensive car insurance policies limit your insurer's liability to the car's actual cash value or the cost to repair or replace it. Policy language often is ambiguous, which means the benefit of the doubt goes to policyholders, says Steve Ryan, a Scottsdale, Ariz.-based attorney who specializes in total losses.

Although he hesitates to say a court would never rule that an insurer does not owe its policyholder for sales tax, title, and registration costs, Ryan says it's highly unlikely it would.

In states that reimburse you for sales tax, insurers will reimburse you for those costs on the total loss settlement for your original vehicle, not your newer vehicle. For example, let's say you total an old Saturn and receive $5,000 from your insurer for it. If you use that money to purchase a Honda Accord for $20,000, your insurance company would pay you sales tax on the $5,000, not the $20,000.

Sometimes you have to ask
Some states, such as Missouri and Ohio, don't require car insurance companies to pay sales tax, title, and registration costs in total-loss settlements up front. In Ohio, you have to submit your sales tax, title and registration costs to the insurer within 30 days after you purchase your new car. In Missouri, the insurer will give you an affidavit to fill out and file with the state's revenue department so you can forego paying the sales tax on your newly purchased vehicle.

Other states, such as Arizona, Kansas, and Minnesota, require insurers to include future sales tax as part of the total-loss settlement check. Under this circumstance, the insurer will calculate the sales tax as a percentage of the total settlement.

In both situations, it's important to ask for the reimbursements because, as one industry source says, "Some insurers will pay [the extra costs] if asked. Very few will pay [them] up front."

States that require sales tax be paid as part of total-loss settlements

State Citation Applies to third-party claims?
Alabama AL ADC 482-1-125-.08 No
Alaska AK Bulletin 93-8; 3 AK ADC 26.080 No
Arizona AZ ADC R20-6-801 No
Arkansas AR Rule 43-10; AR ST s 23-89-11; AR Bulletin 2-2002 No
California 10 CA ADC s2695.8 No
Colorado CO ST s10-4-639 Yes
Connecticut CT ST s38a-816 Yes
Florida FL Information Bulletin 82-224 Yes
Georgia GA ADC 120-2-54-.06 No
Hawaii HI ST s431:10C-312 No
Illinois 50 Ill. Adm. Code 919.80 No
Indiana IN Bulletin 82 Yes
Kansas KS ADC s40-1-34 Yes
Kentucky KY Bulletin 81-DM-007; 806 KAR ADC 12:095 Yes
Maine ME Bulletin 194; ME TI 24A s2907 No
Maryland MD Ins Order 11-25-80 Yes
Minnesota MN ST s72A.201 No
Mississippi MS Bulletin 2007-4 Yes
Nebraska NE Bulletin CB-49 Yes
Nevada NVADC 686A.680 No
New Jersey NJ ADC 11:3-10.4 No
New York NY Gen Counsel Op 3-12-2001 11 NYCRR 216.6 Yes
Ohio OH ADC 3901-1-54 Yes
Oklahoma OK ST T.36 s1250.8 No
Oregon OR ADC 836-080-0240 Yes
Pennsylvania 31 PA ADC s62.3 Yes
Puerto Rico Rule XLVII ??7 Yes
Tennessee TN Bulletin 9-1-89 Yes
Utah UT ADC R590-190-11 Yes
Vermont VT Bulletin 58; VT ADC Ins 79-2 Yes
Washington WA Bulletin 89-3; WA ADC 284-30-3907 Yes
West Virginia WV ADC 114-14-7; WV ST s33-6-33 Yes
Wisconsin 12/97 Insurance Commissioner Newsletter No
Source: Property Casualty Insurers Association of America

happytheman · 07-02-2011, 07:27 PM

Great post! Thanks for the information!

sonic370 · 07-02-2011, 08:18 PM

Sorry for your lose and glad your ok...... Two words Gap Insurance!

and one comment which concren's me. i didn't realize the 370 was so unstable
at 45mph even with vdc on. that had to be one slick piece of highway for the
370 to break lose like it did.

cab83_750 · 07-03-2011, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonic370

Sorry for your lose and glad your ok...... Two words Gap Insurance!

and one comment which concren's me. i didn't realize the 370 was so unstable
at 45mph even with vdc on. that had to be one slick piece of highway for the
370 to break lose like it did.

I also noticed the Z's instability in the rain many times. And the 101 fwy that I took wasn't slippery.

Sorry, I could not remember the actual speeds.

shadow2k · 07-04-2011, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cab83_750

I also noticed the Z's instability in the rain many times. And the 101 fwy that I took wasn't slippery.

Sorry, I could not remember the actual speeds.

The Z is perfectly stable in the rain. You know, as long as you aren't running on summer tires that were never meant for it.

If you're driving over 40mph in the rain with summer tires on your car, your car is going to have a very strong attraction to trees and poles. This goes for any car.

doublea2527 · 07-04-2011, 01:40 PM

totaled

scott982 · 07-04-2011, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearfish25

Agree that it's at least $18k if not higher. Really depends on what she looks like under the hood (engine damage, suspension, and frame). Your car is probably valued around $29-33k and you need 70-80% in damage to have it totalled. You need ~$25k in damage for a totalled decision.

I am an estimator at a body shop and I have seen geico go all the way to 95% of the value without totaling. Then they want us to use cheap aftermarket parts and salvage stuff to piece the car back together. I really hate Geico and Progressive, they have no problem using cheap aftermarket crap and then its our fault when parts don't fit like OEM.

6MT · 07-04-2011, 02:59 PM

Ouch! Glad you were OK. But, how fast were you going?

Methodical4u · 07-04-2011, 03:09 PM

It looks like he would have really gotten a serious jolt from that hit... are you pretty sore OP?

mspaun3 · 07-04-2011, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6MT

Ouch! Glad you were OK. But, how fast were you going?

Bout 45 around a bend.

mspaun3 · 07-04-2011, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methodical4u

It looks like he would have really gotten a serious jolt from that hit... are you pretty sore OP?

Not really sure how to categorize the jolt, but I only had a sore nose from the airbag. The Z def did it's job in protecting me.

07-02-2011, 05:43 PM	#48 (permalink)
whealy Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 40 Drives: 10 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 13	Make sure if they total out you get the sales tax too. They always try to skip that. Glad you are ok. And as a few have said total is a comparison to cost to repair against current value. Has nothing to do with what you owe. .Gap comes in when the car is totaled when you owe more than the current value the insurance had to pay. Without gap you have to come up with the difference. Obviously not a problem here. Good luck! Last edited by whealy; 07-02-2011 at 05:46 PM.

07-02-2011, 06:55 PM	#50 (permalink)
whealy Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 40 Drives: 10 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 13	Ya know I've made this comment in several forums over the years and I really was repeating what I had heard. So I thought I would look it up. Looks like you are supposed to get your sales tax back mspaun3 assuming you are in Florida. Hope you don't mind me posting on yoru thread From Aug 2010 (Recouping expenses after your car is totaled \| Insure.com) When a car insurance company declares your vehicle a total loss after a crash, you might lose some hair because of the hassle. But you shouldn't lose your shirt. Car insurance companies are responsible for paying the actual cash value or market value of your vehicle so you can replace it with a similar one. In addition, they may also be responsible for other costs associated with purchasing a new vehicle, such as sales tax, title and vehicle registration. Thirty-two states require car insurance companies to pay for the sales tax after you replace your crashed vehicle with a new or used one (see list). However, that doesn't necessarily mean insurers in those states are going to offer to pay sales tax up front. Nor does it mean insurers in states that don't require those reimbursements will refuse to pay. That's why it's important to ask your insurance company to reimburse you -- even if the state in which you live does not require it. If you live in a state that requires auto insurance companies to reimburse you for these costs, it's important to make your request quickly. A number of states have a 30-day time limit for you to request reimbursement for these costs from the time that you purchase your replacement vehicle. Your auto insurance company vs. theirsIf your state does not require auto insurers to reimburse you for sales tax costs when you purchase a car with a total-loss settlement, and you're dealing with another person's insurer, public policy is generally on your side, whether or not your state law requires it. If another motorist is at fault in the crash, public policy dictates that you can collect from that person's insurer all costs you incurred directly because of the crash -- including the costs associated with purchasing a new car after your old one is totaled. Also, your car insurance rates should not increase if the accident was not your fault. The situation is similar if you make a claim under your own insurance policy and your state doesn't require insurers to reimburse you for those extra costs. Most collision and comprehensive car insurance policies limit your insurer's liability to the car's actual cash value or the cost to repair or replace it. Policy language often is ambiguous, which means the benefit of the doubt goes to policyholders, says Steve Ryan, a Scottsdale, Ariz.-based attorney who specializes in total losses. Although he hesitates to say a court would never rule that an insurer does not owe its policyholder for sales tax, title, and registration costs, Ryan says it's highly unlikely it would. In states that reimburse you for sales tax, insurers will reimburse you for those costs on the total loss settlement for your original vehicle, not your newer vehicle. For example, let's say you total an old Saturn and receive $5,000 from your insurer for it. If you use that money to purchase a Honda Accord for $20,000, your insurance company would pay you sales tax on the $5,000, not the $20,000. Sometimes you have to ask Some states, such as Missouri and Ohio, don't require car insurance companies to pay sales tax, title, and registration costs in total-loss settlements up front. In Ohio, you have to submit your sales tax, title and registration costs to the insurer within 30 days after you purchase your new car. In Missouri, the insurer will give you an affidavit to fill out and file with the state's revenue department so you can forego paying the sales tax on your newly purchased vehicle. Other states, such as Arizona, Kansas, and Minnesota, require insurers to include future sales tax as part of the total-loss settlement check. Under this circumstance, the insurer will calculate the sales tax as a percentage of the total settlement. In both situations, it's important to ask for the reimbursements because, as one industry source says, "Some insurers will pay [the extra costs] if asked. Very few will pay [them] up front." States that require sales tax be paid as part of total-loss settlements State Citation Applies to third-party claims? Alabama AL ADC 482-1-125-.08 No Alaska AK Bulletin 93-8; 3 AK ADC 26.080 No Arizona AZ ADC R20-6-801 No Arkansas AR Rule 43-10; AR ST s 23-89-11; AR Bulletin 2-2002 No California 10 CA ADC s2695.8 No Colorado CO ST s10-4-639 Yes Connecticut CT ST s38a-816 Yes Florida FL Information Bulletin 82-224 Yes Georgia GA ADC 120-2-54-.06 No Hawaii HI ST s431:10C-312 No Illinois 50 Ill. Adm. Code 919.80 No Indiana IN Bulletin 82 Yes Kansas KS ADC s40-1-34 Yes Kentucky KY Bulletin 81-DM-007; 806 KAR ADC 12:095 Yes Maine ME Bulletin 194; ME TI 24A s2907 No Maryland MD Ins Order 11-25-80 Yes Minnesota MN ST s72A.201 No Mississippi MS Bulletin 2007-4 Yes Nebraska NE Bulletin CB-49 Yes Nevada NVADC 686A.680 No New Jersey NJ ADC 11:3-10.4 No New York NY Gen Counsel Op 3-12-2001 11 NYCRR 216.6 Yes Ohio OH ADC 3901-1-54 Yes Oklahoma OK ST T.36 s1250.8 No Oregon OR ADC 836-080-0240 Yes Pennsylvania 31 PA ADC s62.3 Yes Puerto Rico Rule XLVII ??7 Yes Tennessee TN Bulletin 9-1-89 Yes Utah UT ADC R590-190-11 Yes Vermont VT Bulletin 58; VT ADC Ins 79-2 Yes Washington WA Bulletin 89-3; WA ADC 284-30-3907 Yes West Virginia WV ADC 114-14-7; WV ST s33-6-33 Yes Wisconsin 12/97 Insurance Commissioner Newsletter No Source: Property Casualty Insurers Association of America Phouligan likes this.

07-02-2011, 07:27 PM	#51 (permalink)
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07-04-2011, 01:40 PM	#55 (permalink)
doublea2527 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Hinesville, GA Age: 34 Posts: 93 Drives: 09 Tour+Sport Rep Power: 14	totaled __________________ Fast Intentions / Michelin / SPC / Stillen

07-04-2011, 02:59 PM	#57 (permalink)
6MT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: ITU Zone 2 Posts: 22,459 Drives: Reliant Robin Rep Power: 1789	Ouch! Glad you were OK. But, how fast were you going? __________________ Andrew 2009 370Z Sport/Touring 6MT sold 2013 Honda Civic Si coupe D/D

07-02-2011, 05:05 PM	#46 (permalink)
kidkotic2001 Track Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 541 Drives: Like Crazy Rep Power: 15	I am glad you are okay but that is super duper TOTALED. I had my buddy hear who used to work for Allstate he said that is Totaled.

07-02-2011, 05:33 PM	#47 (permalink)
mspaun3 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Satellite Beach, Fla Posts: 61 Drives: 40th Rep Power: 14	Thanks for the info guys. Just hoping everything will be straightforward on Wednesday with no surprises.

07-02-2011, 05:54 PM	#49 (permalink)
mspaun3 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Satellite Beach, Fla Posts: 61 Drives: 40th Rep Power: 14	Thanks whealy. Wasn't aware they would be on the hook for sales tax too, sweet!

07-02-2011, 08:18 PM	#52 (permalink)
sonic370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orange Texas Posts: 1,574 Drives: 09 370Z Sports PGK Rep Power: 18	Sorry for your lose and glad your ok...... Two words Gap Insurance! and one comment which concren's me. i didn't realize the 370 was so unstable at 45mph even with vdc on. that had to be one slick piece of highway for the 370 to break lose like it did.

07-04-2011, 03:09 PM	#58 (permalink)
Methodical4u A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,393 Drives: 11 370 6mt pw w/sp Rep Power: 15	It looks like he would have really gotten a serious jolt from that hit... are you pretty sore OP?

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