Nissan Ester Oil

Valentino

So is Nissan Ester Oil considered a Non Synthetic , semi Synthetic, or a Full Synthetic oil?

Sorry if the answer is concluded in some of the posts or in an attached link, but i don't understand most of it, and i got confused and lost.

davidyan

The nissan ester is not Synthetic. Its probably the only non-synthetics with Ester in it. Many have concluded that they are better off with a good synthetic like Redline which also has Esters. Also, there has been no valve ticking noise with RL or other high quality synthetics.

VCuomo

IIRC, the Nissan oil is a synthetic blend (i.e., part synthetic and part dino) - like Castrol Syntec Blend.

FricFrac

I don't mean to be a doubting Thomas but do we have any links that backs this up? So far I've heard its based on a synthetic blend and others say its a dino oil with Esters added. No links to the manufactures specs or any lab tests done on the oil so either way its hearsay until someone gives us some evidence either way.

I've read about people who have had ticking on the G37 that was resolved with the TSB regarding the ticking sound that uses both a flash and the Ester oil as the fix. Do we have any links to people who have fixed their ticking with Redline, etc?

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Blown32

I see everyone is still beating this oil subject to death that is absolutely not a problem at all!
Can only make some of the people happy some of the time but can't make all of the people happy all of the time.Quit worrying!Just put a good quality of oil of YOUR choice in and enjoy the car.
Oil is like opinions and you know how that goes.We all have one!

VCuomo

Ummmm...this "continuation" was just someone asking if anyone knows what kind of oil Nissan uses at the factory... not a big deal.

Blown32

If you read this from the beginning that question was answered many times many posts ago.Sometimes it is good info to read from the begining because there is alot of valuable info.

FricFrac

I HAVE read the whole thread. I also am using a good synthetic oil so its not like I need to use the Nissan Ester oil - I've already made my decision based on what I know on the subject.

My questions are a) because I'm interested in the answer. I like knowing how things work, etc. and b) because I dislike when there is information floating around that isn't backed by any evidence then someone comes along and reads the thread and thinks its a fact. I don't have a problem with "Nissan isn't going to tell us because they want to protect the formuation of their super oil", etc. But to says it IS something without any real evidence I'm gonna call it out because its not fair to the next guy who reads it and thinks its a fact. Unfortuantely people don't always think for themselves or verify if what people say are actually true and end up going down a rabbit trail which can sometimes cost them in the end.

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VCuomo

I have read this from the beginning. Perhaps you should read what Valentino posted when he asked if anyone knew what type of oil Nissan uses:

So, again, not a big deal...

Zless@arizona

Blown32: Your response is purely wrong and based on no empirical data. I can supply you with a non-detergent 30-weight oil...put that in your engine for 15,000 miles with no filter change and let me know how it goes. Do you know anything about the engine in the 370Z? What can you tell me about the valve actuation? Manufacturers test engines for many thousands of miles, some one million miles, on the same oil. They have clean-room environments, and repeatable test variables when they take oil samples. You, certainly, do not know what I am talking about! Unless you have "white paper" data, stay out. Opinion and consensus is best left to Al Gore and Global Warming.

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wstar

The issue of what is or isn't "synthetic oil" is complicated if you dig too deep The manufacturers seem to be happy with the very lax definitions of the term, because it gives them a lot of room to do marketing. Given the different things "synthetic" can mean, and the fact that Nissan Ester is almost certainly a mix of both synthetic and non-synthetic ingredients, there's no 100% clear, hard answer to your question.

The original problem in the G37 was initially fixed by switching to ester, and then later a TSB came out that involved reflashing the ECU (presumably to change something about the VVEL's parameters), which supposedly cleared up the ticking regardless of the oil type used. We have newer ECUs that undoubtedly incorporate that software fix, and our service manuals recommend but do not require Nissan Ester oil (and most Nissan dealerships seem to have never heard of it unless the customer makes them research it).

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Zless@arizona

FricFrac: Congrats that you do not buy into the B.S. on this thread! Research the info yourself, using the comments for pathways to the truth. The manufacturer's published data is the only true information upon which you can base a decision.

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370Zsteve

God this topic is beaten to death.

From bobtheoilguy.com:

There is an interesting article by Mike Kojima that goes
into great detail about the Nissan oil. The price is about the same as Redline. Here are a couple of quotes:

"Nissan's special oil and their newly developed hydrogen free DLC coating on cam followers reduces the amount of friction produced by the valve train by a huge amount. This can make a considerable difference in fuel economy, power output and perhaps even heat generation.

What is Nissan's special oil? The oil was developed to complement Nissan's Hydrogen free DLC coating used on the cam followers in the QR25DE engine, the VQ35HR and the VQ37VHR engines. DLC stands for diamond like coating, which is an amorphous layer of carbon crystals with hard smooth properties much like diamond. Most of valve train friction is created by the interface between the cam follower and the cam lobe. DLC is very slippery stuff and Nissan uses it to reduce valvetrain friction to improve fuel economy, reduce emission and increase power.

Nissan, in their search for improving oils frictional properties, figured out a way to substitute ultra hard nano particles for the normal chemical friction modifiers adding some interesting molecular twists. Again due to the convoluted nature of Nissan’s white papers and patents, its hard to guess exactly what the nano particles are but they are definitely an ultra hard industrial abrasive or bearing type ceramic and probably at least in part, nano particles of industrial diamond

Nissans super oil is around 0.5% nano particles by weight. The particles are probably around 10 nanometers in diameter, really very small! A certain percentage of the nano particles have to be carbon based, preferably single crystal synthetic diamond. The carbon content helps make the nano particles attracted to the low hydrogen DLC coating. Instead of making a slippery metallic film on bare metal parts like traditional friction modifiers, the nano particles act like atomic level miniature ball bearings, preventing metal to metal contact and reducing friction to previously unheard of levels. These nano particles are ashless if they find there way into the engine, making the oil low deposit forming for lower emissions. The Nissan super oil does most of its friction reduction in the valvetrain but it still helps in other parts of the engine.

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Zless@arizona

Steve: You only quote from bobtheoilguy, yet you make no point. You were successful at adding to the length of this thread, but you added no new info. Why did you post? Greg

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370Zsteve

Zless, might I suggest you head over to the Tahoe forums, because your schitty attitude really isn't welcome here.

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