5.0

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

I know they're in the same price range, but I just don't see how so many people are going from a Z to a Mustang. It's a performance upgrade for sure, assuming you go with the Brembo's etc, but it's a transition from a small, Japanese, 2-seater "sports car" to an American Muscle car (that now has handling capabilities). To me that's as similar as switching from a Z to a Jeep.

Well it really is pretty simple. The 5.0 carries itself like the Z does. It is extremely nimble and has gobs of power to boot. The engine really is a wonder... i've never driven one as smooth as this. No matter what RPM you are at you always have power... from idle to 7k+ the thing just pulls.

FWIW, the Mustang never was a Muscle Car. It was a Pony car that was designed to do everything well, not just go in a straight line. With the 5.0 Ford brought that formula back and that's why the 5.0 forums are filled with all sorts of converts from platforms you never would have expected.

My 5.0 takes on the corners as well as, and in some areas better than, my 370. It is a blast to drive all the time.

GZ3 · 03-14-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ZYGOTE

Traded my 370 for a a 5.0 a few weeks ago and as much as I miss the Z, the 5.0 amazes me everytime I drive it.

As for the Boss - Ford Racing just released the Boss 302 intake manifold for purchase. One of the regular 5.0 guys installed it and got a 50 hp gain on the top end. These cars are just beasts.

yeah yeah!....yeah??!!!! shiiiitt

BLM · 03-14-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'd make the switch to a Jeep that could lap the Z around a track the way a mustang does.

I'd still love to SEE this with "guys like us". Pro drivers for sure, but have you ever been to a track day? Have you driven a car like the 5.0 around a track? People have trouble with it in a straight line. I'd LOVE to see some of these owners with it around a track. Unless they're experienced they will be oversteering into the infield and causing huge pile-ups. This paper racing is great but I'd just love to watch some of these owners of cars with such impressive specs drive them competitively and ATTEMPT to replicate the published lap times, acceleration specs, etc.

You drove an s2k...the same way you need to keep car above 5500 rpm to get anything out of it, you need to be very careful with something like the mustang. You can't just mash the throttle coming out of the turn. There's so much power and torque throughout the entire rpm range that you'll lose traction. Hell, you cant even mash the throttle in a straight line. It's all well and good quoting performance numbers of what a pro driver can do in your car, but who's the one ultimately driving it?

ZYGOTE · 03-14-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

I know they're in the same price range, but I just don't see how so many people are going from a Z to a Mustang. It's a performance upgrade for sure, assuming you go with the Brembo's etc, but it's a transition from a small, Japanese, 2-seater "sports car" to an American Muscle car (that now has handling capabilities). To me that's as similar as switching from a Z to a Jeep.

I hear you BLM, I was actually never a Mustang fan, but this car changed my whole perception. As much as I loved the Z, the Mustang outperforms it in almost every metric, which is impressive. Plus, I needed something just a little bigger than the Z and the Mustang fits the bill.

Red__Zed · 03-14-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I heard from a forum source that the SRT8 Jeep will do this.

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

The Mustang was equipped with the "Parked at a starbux with the driver inside getting coffee" mod, iirc.

I heard the mustang was equipped with the " driver busy nailing his cousin" mod.

shadoquad · 03-14-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I heard the mustang was equipped with the " driver busy nailing his cousin" mod.

BLM · 03-14-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ZYGOTE

I hear you BLM, I was actually never a Mustang fan, but this car changed my whole perception. As much as I loved the Z, the Mustang outperforms it in almost every metric, which is impressive. Plus, I needed something just a little bigger than the Z and the Mustang fits the bill.

Don't get me wrong, the car is a goddam beast. It's incredible what Ford has put together, it's just not for me. The styling and interior just turn me terribly off. If I didnt care AT ALL what a car looked like and just wanted performance I'd get an EVO. All year performance, 400 whp with bolt-ons and a boost increase, etc.

shadoquad · 03-14-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Don't get me wrong, the car is a goddam beast. It's incredible what Ford has put together, it's just not for me. The styling and interior just turn me terribly off. If I didnt care AT ALL what a car looked like and just wanted performance I'd get an EVO. All year performance, 400 whp with bolt-ons and a boost increase, etc.

Pretty much sums up my opinion, except I think the Ford's interior is nice.

Red__Zed · 03-14-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Don't get me wrong, the car is a goddam beast. It's incredible what Ford has put together, it's just not for me. The styling and interior just turn me terribly off. If I didnt care AT ALL what a car looked like and just wanted performance I'd get an EVO. All year performance, 400 whp with bolt-ons and a boost increase, etc.

Yeah, but the Mustang looks 1000x better than an EVO, and is RWD.

BLM · 03-14-2011, 01:52 PM

Yea, the EVO X is hideous. Maybe lowered with some aggressive wheels I could come to like the Ford, a black on black setup perhaps...

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

I'd still love to SEE this with "guys like us". Pro drivers for sure, but have you ever been to a track day? Have you driven a car like the 5.0 around a track? People have trouble with it in a straight line. I'd LOVE to see some of these owners with it around a track. Unless they're experienced they will be oversteering into the infield and causing huge pile-ups. This paper racing is great but I'd just love to watch some of these owners of cars with such impressive specs drive them competitively and ATTEMPT to replicate the published lap times, acceleration specs, etc.

You drove an s2k...the same way you need to keep car above 5500 rpm to get anything out of it, you need to be very careful with something like the mustang. You can't just mash the throttle coming out of the turn. There's so much power and torque throughout the entire rpm range that you'll lose traction. Hell, you cant even mash the throttle in a straight line. It's all well and good quoting performance numbers of what a pro driver can do in your car, but who's the one ultimately driving it?

I've commented on this before. I think if you put an inexperienced driver on a road course with the Z and with the 5.0, he might be quicker with the Z.

The Z has a significant amount of understeer built in, thanks in large part to the staggered tire setup, so it is a lot easier for a novice to drive near the limit compared to the more neutral-to-oversteery 5.0.

When you approach the limit of grip with the Z, the front end will start to slip first. This is much, much easier to manage for a novice than the Mustang, which will bring the tail around first.

But in the hands of drivers who know what they are doing, the 5.0 will hands down drive away from a 370 on anything short of the tightest auto-cross course, where the shorter wheelbase of the 370 navigating the tight course could overcome any advantage the 5.0 has. But that's AutoX.

shadoquad · 03-14-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Yeah, but the Mustang looks 1000x better than an EVO.

That's like saying dog sh*t is slightly more pleasant than bullsh*t. It's still sh*t.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I heard the mustang was equipped with the " driver busy nailing his cousin" mod.

Interesting. My cousin's name is Dan.

Red__Zed · 03-14-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

That's like saying dog sh*t is slightly more pleasant than bullsh*t. It's still sh*t.

I actually like the looks of the Mustang.

Don't worry, I'll show myself out.

m4a1mustang · 03-14-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I actually like the looks of the Mustang.

Don't worry, I'll show myself out.

Don't listen to Al regarding style. He's in the process of installing custom pink leather upholstery in his Z.

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