I crashed my new 370z

omgZ · 02-10-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodo

Don't think what you guys described is VDC fault. It sounds like the car is trying to adjust from being driven passive to aggressive.

Yeah its making the adjustment, but sometimes its overly intrusive.

AllForTheCash · 03-17-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler20c

Airbags come out? and I think you guys should cut him a break he said he made a mistake turning the VDC off. Regardless, I never drive with it on. There's been too many times when I tried to pull out quickly and it slows the car, putting you in even more danger because your car isn't accelerating like it should be.

+1...I Have VDC off majority of the time! (just like i did with my g35c 6mt, off 99% of the time)

If you can't handle the car then keep it on! Its as easy as that.

Congrats on getting the car back!

spryor · 02-10-2011, 09:16 AM

eg7737,

Man, I really feel for you, such a beautiful car!

I am glad that you are alright.

Samuel

98intrigue · 03-17-2011, 12:32 PM

Man, that wait would have killed me. Now drive the hell out of it!

Red__Zed · 03-17-2011, 01:14 PM

Glad to see it's back together!

Ty Weezy · 03-17-2011, 01:37 PM

Congrats on getting the car back! Dont pay too much attention to everyone giving you a hard time about VDC being off. I always drive with mine off and never have a problem. Seems like the accident was caused by getting cut off and you trying to swerve out of the way too quickly on a wet road.

SkyZ · 03-17-2011, 08:33 PM

mmm dont worry about it. besides if u rolled down ur window during the 360 pulled a gun out and started firing on the bad guys im sure u would have quite an audience now =].

ps. car looks great. no real sign from the camera angle. fit looks tight. go drive the hell out of it bro

ProfessorDave · 03-17-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyZ

mmm dont worry about it. besides if u rolled down ur window during the 360 pulled a gun out and started firing on the bad guys im sure u would have quite an audience now =].

...and you can't do THAT with VDC on! (actually, I haven't tried. But I will. I just need a gun and a protractor).

EazyD · 04-06-2011, 10:10 PM

best of luck - let us know when you end up getting and stick around the forums!

Jeffblue · 04-07-2011, 06:46 AM

if VDC wasn't so overbearingly invasive i don't think people would turn it off as much. On my daily commute, VDC comes on several times, when i turn it off, i dont even notice those places because its not like it kicked in because the tail was going to spun out. There was maybe a slight loss of traction on one wheel and it totally bogs the whole car down. If nissan did a a better job of engineering it instead of it just being like 'OMG SLIGHT SLIP! STOP EVERYTHING!' less people would be turning it off

Armonster · 04-07-2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

if VDC wasn't so overbearingly invasive i don't think people would turn it off as much. On my daily commute, VDC comes on several times, when i turn it off, i dont even notice those places because its not like it kicked in because the tail was going to spun out. There was maybe a slight loss of traction on one wheel and it totally bogs the whole car down. If nissan did a a better job of engineering it instead of it just being like 'OMG SLIGHT SLIP! STOP EVERYTHING!' less people would be turning it off

This is a good point. VDC makes it tough to learn the limits of the car because when it kicks in and shuts everything down, you are never sure whether it was due to a tiny bit of a wheel slip or because the back end was about to whip around. I don't understand why it can't just slow things down to the extent necessary, rather than shutting it all down for a second.

Jeffblue · 04-07-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Armonster

This is a good point. VDC makes it tough to learn the limits of the car because when it kicks in and shuts everything down, you are never sure whether it was due to a tiny bit of a wheel slip or because the back end was about to whip around. I don't understand why it can't just slow things down to the extent necessary, rather than shutting it all down for a second.

I'm not sure if its as much about learning the limits as it is about just performing well with it on. The fact of the matter is if you're sick of it coming in a shutting everything down, the only alternative is shuting it off, so its all or nothing. If there was a button on our cars called 'safe mode' and it wouldn't let the engine rev over 4k and you couldn't go over 55, yes that would probably be less accident prone, but if the only way to turn it off was to turn on 'death mode' which turned off ABS, VDC, Airbags, power steering and threw in a 100 shot of NOS when you least expect it, you don't really have a really fun choice on your hands.

VDC's biggest downfall in keeping the car out of accidents is how overbearing it is. If there were varying levels of VDC people would be less likely to just shut it off, but if its 'annoying nanny that ruins all the fun' or the slight risk of spinning out, i think a lot of people choose the latter, and on a modern sports car like this, it shouldn't be so black and white.

Xander117 · 04-07-2011, 07:56 AM

I personally dont see any reason to turn it off while driving on the street, which is exactly where I want to be safe as possible. If I was on the track or somewhere I could check it out and see exactly how much difference there is then I would have it off. I think too many people hop into the car and immediately think I dont need anyone helping me drive I know what the hell Im doing. I think respecting the vehicle and learning what it is capable of is the first thing that should be done. I know we throw the phrase "spirited" driving around, but we dont live in a "closed set". Be safe out there folks its not just you, you are endangering.

As far as selling it, I dont know that I would of gone that far. You can have a wreck in anything. It sounds to me like you were a little gunshy, and just werent happy with it anymore. The first time I low-sided my bike, the best advice I got was "get back on it right away". If you let doubt and fear set in then its very hard to get over it.

Anyway sorry to see your Z go, but you gotta do what you feel comfortable with.

DIGItonium · 04-07-2011, 07:54 AM

Sweet! Good to see yours got fixed and looks new again. I'm on the same boat!

Jeffblue · 04-13-2011, 05:03 PM

The Z doesn't really get that tail happy with VDC off unless you want it to. I think most of these VDC off crashes are people just driving too fast for the conditions and not slowing down enough for turns.

Cars don't crash themselves. People have been crashing cars with and without traction control, of the safest economy cars, all the way up to the most high performance sports cars. It depends on the driver and the circumstance. Sometimes the driver creates the circumstance by being an asshat. Personally, i drive with VDC on if its raining or wet, otherwise its off.

I do partially blame VDC for some of these accidents, only in the sense that because its so invasive it makes people want to turn it off completely. Honestly, in my daily commute with VDC off i never drift or anything or even lose traction, but if VDC were on and i go over an uneven road surface during a turn it totally throws off the balance of the car and makes it really unenejoyable. Turn it off if you feel comfortable, its still more enjoyable even if you aren't driving very spiritedly.

and to the OP, your reason for selling your vehicle would make sense if you had a motorcycle, not a sports car. You could follow that logic and say that some parent who can't afford to buy a new car with the latest safety features and drives a mid 90's sentra is somehow an irresponsible parent because they are somehow putting their life on the line because they don't have a 5 Star safety rated vehicle.

03-17-2011, 12:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
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SkyZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 382 Drives: 09 370z PG M6 Rep Power: 17	mmm dont worry about it. besides if u rolled down ur window during the 360 pulled a gun out and started firing on the bad guys im sure u would have quite an audience now =]. ps. car looks great. no real sign from the camera angle. fit looks tight. go drive the hell out of it bro

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Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 38 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 39	if VDC wasn't so overbearingly invasive i don't think people would turn it off as much. On my daily commute, VDC comes on several times, when i turn it off, i dont even notice those places because its not like it kicked in because the tail was going to spun out. There was maybe a slight loss of traction on one wheel and it totally bogs the whole car down. If nissan did a a better job of engineering it instead of it just being like 'OMG SLIGHT SLIP! STOP EVERYTHING!' less people would be turning it off

04-07-2011, 07:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
Xander117 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Warner Robins, GA Posts: 446 Drives: 370, z71, R6 Rep Power: 16	I personally dont see any reason to turn it off while driving on the street, which is exactly where I want to be safe as possible. If I was on the track or somewhere I could check it out and see exactly how much difference there is then I would have it off. I think too many people hop into the car and immediately think I dont need anyone helping me drive I know what the hell Im doing. I think respecting the vehicle and learning what it is capable of is the first thing that should be done. I know we throw the phrase "spirited" driving around, but we dont live in a "closed set". Be safe out there folks its not just you, you are endangering. As far as selling it, I dont know that I would of gone that far. You can have a wreck in anything. It sounds to me like you were a little gunshy, and just werent happy with it anymore. The first time I low-sided my bike, the best advice I got was "get back on it right away". If you let doubt and fear set in then its very hard to get over it. Anyway sorry to see your Z go, but you gotta do what you feel comfortable with.

04-13-2011, 05:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 38 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 39	The Z doesn't really get that tail happy with VDC off unless you want it to. I think most of these VDC off crashes are people just driving too fast for the conditions and not slowing down enough for turns. Cars don't crash themselves. People have been crashing cars with and without traction control, of the safest economy cars, all the way up to the most high performance sports cars. It depends on the driver and the circumstance. Sometimes the driver creates the circumstance by being an asshat. Personally, i drive with VDC on if its raining or wet, otherwise its off. I do partially blame VDC for some of these accidents, only in the sense that because its so invasive it makes people want to turn it off completely. Honestly, in my daily commute with VDC off i never drift or anything or even lose traction, but if VDC were on and i go over an uneven road surface during a turn it totally throws off the balance of the car and makes it really unenejoyable. Turn it off if you feel comfortable, its still more enjoyable even if you aren't driving very spiritedly. and to the OP, your reason for selling your vehicle would make sense if you had a motorcycle, not a sports car. You could follow that logic and say that some parent who can't afford to buy a new car with the latest safety features and drives a mid 90's sentra is somehow an irresponsible parent because they are somehow putting their life on the line because they don't have a 5 Star safety rated vehicle.