Found some new things to complain about

crash1369

... yeah, I found that out. The hard way, on the first day
My phone slide under the seat, it was much more work to retrieve then it should have been

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ProfessorDave

Especially with power seats. Takes about half an hour to move them to the full forward position

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Rain, snow, sleet, hail: 2009 Mazda 3 sGT HB
Everything else: 2009 370z, PW Touring 6MT

crash1369

exactly it would only take a second if they were manual.

Honestly I would rather have manual seats in most cases, but their considered to cheap for good cars these days. Unless the power seats have memory, that's nice, otherwise I could care less

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ProfessorDave

I would also prefer manual seats (unless there is a memory feature), but find it difficult to find manufacturers that offer heated seats that aren't also power seat. I like heated seats

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Rain, snow, sleet, hail: 2009 Mazda 3 sGT HB
Everything else: 2009 370z, PW Touring 6MT

crash1369

Cooled is even better but your right, no manual option then

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ImportConvert

I am partial to roll-up windows, manual seat adjustment, and the like. All this electronic junk is jsut something to break. regarding the seats, it makes them heavier. Regarding the windows, I think it's about break-even. However, you just take the door-panels off and grease things up when a roll-up gives you trouble. When an electric does, you often have to drill holes in the fiberglass door-panel to remove it. There is no way to remove a window-motor from many cars without 1) Drilling the rivets out of the glass (VERY risky to the window) or 2) drilling through door-structure.

The thing is, if Porsche deleted electric windows/seats, they would sell it as an "R" or "RS" model and charge more for it, and people would hoot and holler with joy. If Ford/Nissan/GM did it, and made it standard with the power ameneties a reasonably affordable option, everyone would whine and complain.

I have owned both. Personally, I prefer leather. I don't view it as "dressy" or anything. It's nice. When you floor it and soda shoots out your passenger's nose, it's easier to wipe up. When you get in the car on a hot day and sweat before the car cools off, it doesn't imbed countless days of such's grime/sweat into the seat. Etc.

The thing about cloth is that you can clean them fully, easier. My Dad owns a carpet-cleaning company and cloth interiors can be made like new with very little effort.

I still prefer leather. I like knowing that something was sacrificed for my decadence. :P

I bent over/into a 370Z on the lot and dropped my safety scissors into this. It was rediculous. It took help to get them. They (along with pencil's) constantly fall out of my front scrub pocket and I hate it, but I have not found a practical solution to that yet. Will probably buy mechanical pencils and superglue a clip onto the scissors before long. It's getting annoying.

Nismo221

Hit the 20s last night coming home from work. No weird nosies but I'm really worried my windows are going to stick some time this winter.

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Stillen Gen 3, Motordyne M370 Intake Manifold,
25 row oil cooler, Z1 test pipes, Greddy Ti-C 70mm dual exhaust, 15mm front/20mm rear spacers, RE-11's, V1 detector, LED interior lights, LED tag lights, Password JDM CF engine and radiator cooling covers.