The new Camaros!

BanningZ · 03-23-2009, 10:50 PM

I never trust edmunds.

Outrun · 03-24-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BanningZ

I never trust edmunds.

Here are some others:

Road and track:
2010 Chevrolet Camaro - First Test of Chevrolet's all-new 2010 Camaro - Motor Trend

Car and driver:
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS V8 - Short Take Road Test/Corvette/Camaro Corner/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver

Popular Mechanics:
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS Test Drive: Does the Reborn Ponycar Live Up to Its Name? - Popular Mechanics

The list goes on...they all put up the same #'s for the camaro.

MutantChicken · 03-24-2009, 05:56 PM

Funny, I came here because I was directed through a Camaro forum... I ended up joining this site because I thought you were a bunch of level headed people.... personally I think both cars are great... and very close performace wise. The Camaro will take it in the straights, no doubt, and this version handles better than any other ever put out, lord knows it will handle better than my '67 Fbody !!!!! And on the flip-side, the Z will show the Camaro who is boss in the twisties, it's smaller, lighter, it's what it is made for !

They have very similar numbers in 0-60 and 60-0, too close in fact ! The Camaro does with brute force what the Z does with finess . It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges, but they perform so closely it makes you want to compare them any way.

My wife has already ordered her Camaro, she just had to have one, we ordered it on the first possible day ( Oct. 13th by the way ), and I will drive it and enjoy every second of it. But I have always wanted a Z, so if things work out the way they are supposed to, I will be getting my Z right after she takes delivery of her Camaro......

Then we shall see....

Apples or Oranges ?

Robert_Nash · 03-24-2009, 06:23 PM

I've owned several F-bodies.

Frankly, I'm finding the numbers the Camaro SS is putting down somewhat disappointing; especially the handling.

Don't misunderstand; its numbers aren't bad and in fact they are good but with 426HP and five years to develop the car; I expected more.

I think it's a great car and will be a hell of a lot fun to drive but for my money, I think I'd buy a one or two year old "Vette.

frost · 03-24-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

I've owned several F-bodies.

Frankly, I'm finding the numbers the Camaro SS is putting down somewhat disappointing; especially the handling.

Don't misunderstand; its numbers aren't bad and in fact they are good but with 426HP and five years to develop the car; I expected more.

I think it's a great car and will be a hell of a lot fun to drive but for my money, I think I'd buy a one or two year old "Vette.

I've owned several f-bods and several vettes as well, but I'm afraid they will lose my business this time around. As someone who as owned so many GM performance vehicles, I wanted to love the new camaro, but (as I mentioned above) I've hit a point in my life where straight line performance is cool, but a quick, comfortable, traffic carver with nice interior refinements is a little more attractive.

frost · 03-24-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MutantChicken

Apples or Oranges ?

I definitely think it's apples and oranges (although that wouldn't stop me from throwing my .02 in anyway). The camaro is great for what it is, a decently priced muscle car where refinements like interior comes in second place for performance and the aforementioned lower price. The people here who are into Z's are a different breed. Wanting a solid performer, sure, but also concerned with a higher quality ride and interior. And eff it, we are willing to give up some HP for the higher quality.

Pushing_Tin · 03-24-2009, 09:16 PM

Here's an interesting review from about.com, haven't seen it posted yet.

2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe - Test drive and new car review - 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe

What about handling? The Camaro certainly grips the road well, but it goes through the corners with a slightly disconnected feel, as if the chassis isn't 100% fluent in whatever language the steering wheel is speaking. V8 models have a stiffer suspension (plus huge brakes) and drive a bit better, and both versions ride comfortably. But the Camaro's width -- exaggerated by the slit-shaped windshield and broad hood -- is intimidating on narrow roads. Chevy wants the Camaro to take on proper sports cars like the Nissan 370Z, and while the Camaro delivers a 426 hp V8 for about the same price ($30,995) as the Z's 330 hp V6, there's more to a sports car than power. The Camaro just isn't in the same league.

frost · 03-24-2009, 09:21 PM

^ very interesting mate. In motortrend, they were comparing the camaro, challenger, and new stang gt, and the stang actually outperformed the other two in the skidpad.
.95 for mustang
.90 for camaro
.82 for challenger

frost · 03-24-2009, 09:59 PM

^ironically, the 1/4 time is closer between the Z and the camaro than the camaro and challenger.

And yet, they bash the Z's power.

Robert_Nash · 03-24-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

^ironically, the 1/4t time is closer between the Z and the camaro than the camaro and challenger.

And yet, they bash the Z's power.

Maybe the Challenger just isn't getting its HP to the ground as well as it should???

frost · 03-24-2009, 10:05 PM

^ Well, the challenger is 300lbs heavier than the camaro, and comes with the skinniest tires of the group. It's also BY FAR the worst handler with an embarrassing .82 on the skidpad.

BanningZ · 03-24-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

Here's an interesting review from about.com, haven't seen it posted yet.

2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe - Test drive and new car review - 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe

^ouch!. Nice find Pushing Tin

BMW Killa · 03-24-2009, 11:17 PM

^ 37 hp from cats and exhaust in a 370z. So don't be too quick to rule out the Z:
Forged Performance: A couple of visitors stopped by...

Crash · 03-25-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

You can get an 1SS for 30K, and modding an LS3 will be stupid easy compared to a 370Z. The only leg a 370Z has on the new Camaro is handling, as far as performance wise. GM's LSX motors are no joke.

You're right. I'd seen early pricing on the SS was going to be in the 40s... However, the LS3 they're using is a de-tuned version which will also be on a "No Compete" system that GM designed to make sure that the Camaro can't beat the Corvette. That being said, the production Camaros aren't going to be a problem in the straight line either for the time it takes tuners to figure out how to crack that GM garbage ECU.

Yeah, I know LSx's are no joke. I had one... I've had 3 Chevy 5.7L motors... My LS1 made power just by kicking it. The smallest mods make the biggest difference on those motors. Headers, intake, tune = 40WHP easy on the LS1.

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Originally Posted by BMW Killa

^ 37 hp from cats and exhaust in a 370z. So don't be too quick to rule out the Z:
Forged Performance: A couple of visitors stopped by...

Believe me, what you can squeeze out of all the N/A mods together on the VQ motors is NOTHING compared to the same mods on the LSx. I also still don't believe 37 WHEEL horse power from cats and exhaust on the VQ. But I know from personal experience that the LSx motors make more than that to the wheels with exhaust and a tune.

So, yeah, the Camaro may come stock as a show boat. 420+HP (Supposedly) is a lot of power, but the car weighs more than 12 1/2 Rosanne Bars. The power to weight ratio blows. If the Camaro really does 13.0 in the 1/4, I'll be very surprised. And even if it really does do it, it's 3 tenths of a second. That's not hard to make up on a light-weight car like the Z.

But that being said, LSx parts are practically interchangeable and there's a bagillion mods out there for the LSx platform. $2000 bucks will add another 50WHP on the LS3. (Maybe more.)

MightyBobo · 03-25-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BMW Killa

^ 37 hp from cats and exhaust in a 370z. So don't be too quick to rule out the Z:
Forged Performance: A couple of visitors stopped by...

Yeah, have fun after doing your full exhaust and intake.

How about, $1000 for 80-100 WHP from a simple cam-swap? How about, $1200 for HEADERS BACK, full exhaust? Sorry dude, mod for mod, LSX motors will always beat the VQ. I owned one, I know. But, as far as handling, it will never win over the 370. Not without a 500 lb diet, and even then...

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03-24-2009, 06:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Robert_Nash Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Middle TN/Savannah GA Posts: 762 Drives: '14 Q60IPL/'14Armada Rep Power: 18	I've owned several F-bodies. Frankly, I'm finding the numbers the Camaro SS is putting down somewhat disappointing; especially the handling. Don't misunderstand; its numbers aren't bad and in fact they are good but with 426HP and five years to develop the car; I expected more. I think it's a great car and will be a hell of a lot fun to drive but for my money, I think I'd buy a one or two year old "Vette. __________________ Robert -My Basset Hound Is Smarter Than Your Honor Student and Barack Obama -

03-24-2009, 05:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
MutantChicken Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 40 Drives: 2004 Ram-2007 Harley Rep Power: 17	Funny, I came here because I was directed through a Camaro forum... I ended up joining this site because I thought you were a bunch of level headed people.... personally I think both cars are great... and very close performace wise. The Camaro will take it in the straights, no doubt, and this version handles better than any other ever put out, lord knows it will handle better than my '67 Fbody !!!!! And on the flip-side, the Z will show the Camaro who is boss in the twisties, it's smaller, lighter, it's what it is made for ! They have very similar numbers in 0-60 and 60-0, too close in fact ! The Camaro does with brute force what the Z does with finess . It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges, but they perform so closely it makes you want to compare them any way. My wife has already ordered her Camaro, she just had to have one, we ordered it on the first possible day ( Oct. 13th by the way ), and I will drive it and enjoy every second of it. But I have always wanted a Z, so if things work out the way they are supposed to, I will be getting my Z right after she takes delivery of her Camaro...... Then we shall see.... Apples or Oranges ?

03-24-2009, 09:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 228	Here's an interesting review from about.com, haven't seen it posted yet. 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe - Test drive and new car review - 2010 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe What about handling? The Camaro certainly grips the road well, but it goes through the corners with a slightly disconnected feel, as if the chassis isn't 100% fluent in whatever language the steering wheel is speaking. V8 models have a stiffer suspension (plus huge brakes) and drive a bit better, and both versions ride comfortably. But the Camaro's width -- exaggerated by the slit-shaped windshield and broad hood -- is intimidating on narrow roads. Chevy wants the Camaro to take on proper sports cars like the Nissan 370Z, and while the Camaro delivers a 426 hp V8 for about the same price ($30,995) as the Z's 330 hp V6, there's more to a sports car than power. The Camaro just isn't in the same league.

03-24-2009, 09:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	^ very interesting mate. In motortrend, they were comparing the camaro, challenger, and new stang gt, and the stang actually outperformed the other two in the skidpad. .95 for mustang .90 for camaro .82 for challenger

03-24-2009, 09:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	^ironically, the 1/4 time is closer between the Z and the camaro than the camaro and challenger. And yet, they bash the Z's power.

03-24-2009, 10:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	^ Well, the challenger is 300lbs heavier than the camaro, and comes with the skinniest tires of the group. It's also BY FAR the worst handler with an embarrassing .82 on the skidpad.

03-24-2009, 11:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
BMW Killa Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: FL Posts: 287 Drives: neezmo Rep Power: 189	^ 37 hp from cats and exhaust in a 370z. So don't be too quick to rule out the Z: Forged Performance: A couple of visitors stopped by...