Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 761798)

Actually you will see alot of V8s going to V6 turbos, the vette is going to go that direction (wait till you see the 2014 stingray vette V6 TT) and you now see way more 4 and 6 cyl turbos out there that you did before. But some will stay V8 but most will go smaller FI.

On a side note I respect the new stangs power but still think its butt ugly and too plain for me but I know to each his own. And this wasnt directed at you M4a1 just a side note about my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 762573)

No, the 'vette is getting a 5.5L-ish DI engine that will put out about 440bhp in the base C7, per GM. That much has been confirmed. That's about all we know, though.

The only car I know of doing what you say is the BMW M3.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 762583)

The e92 never really should have happened.

Originally Posted by ninous26 (Post 761493)

eehhh.. Why did I read this? Now this is making me feel like the Z is really slow and that the cheaper($$) and very ugly(IMHO) mustang is an all around better performer.

Makes me not want a Z anymore and Im now considering other options..

I sure have always adored the 03-04 terminator cobra.. One of my all time favorites. I may have to settle for that.

:( Damn, I really love the 370z but I don't want to be losing to scrape of the barrel sports cars.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 762573)

No, the 'vette is getting a 5.5L-ish DI engine that will put out about 440bhp in the base C7, per GM. That much has been confirmed. That's about all we know, though.

The only car I know of doing what you say is the BMW M3.

Would a 2JZ fit better in the Z than the LSX, a full-assembled LSX motor is around 450#, give or take a few, IIRC. What does the Z's motor weigh, and what does a 2JZ/hair dryer weigh?

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 762584)

Who told you the Vette is getting a 5.5L-ish DI engine?

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 762583)

But that's really more a reversion to the mean with the BMW. The e92 never really should have happened.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 762770)

Public announcement from GM.

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 762773)

Link? I have heard nothing yet from GM saying what engine, platform, etc. they have decided for the C7. All they have said is it will based off the stingray concept car a bit and not be AWD.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 762770)

Public announcement from GM. It's all over the place.
Corvette Racing boss Doug Fehan confirms new 5.5L V8 for Sebring debut — Autoblog
Corvette Blog: C7 Corvettes to be Built with New 5.5L 440hp V8
Motor Trend: C7 Corvette to Debut with New 5.5L 440 hp V8 Powerplant | motorpulse

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 762778)

I think the GTR made companies rethink the V6 TT with its 0 100 in 8 secs. I would love a stingray V6 TT if they come out with it.

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 762778)

I think the GTR made companies rethink the V6 TT with its 0 100 in 8 secs. I would love a stingray V6 TT if they come out with it.

Originally Posted by optiontrader (Post 762939)

^^^ Yes - less weight, better gas mileage. Well then they failed. The GT-R's 608# engine (fully dressed with turbo's) out-weighs the fully dressed LS7 by a whopping 150#.

Bigger engines? Higher displacement at low revs with mad power is achieveable at low price points. Once you start trying to spin that crank faster, high revvin' engines are more expensive to develop (but less so to manufacture - but still $$$). The E92's redline above 8k is a good example. High revvin' supercars with V8/10/12 that rev above 8k are another. The BOSS mustang is getting a 7500rpm 5.0. If the mustang is getting it, it can't be TOO cost prohibitive. Especially for a car like the GT-R/'Vette, etc. Further, the cost of developing the cooling system, piping, turbo's, etc. and then warrantying all those extra parts...

Extending that power band between shifts is a golden rule - the more time you're on the pedal and not swinging that lever, the faster times you'll get. Check out the gearing. It's the same time swinging the lever. Auto manufacturers gear those 8K rpm cars so they can hit the powerband fast. But now with dual-clutch transmissions getting easier and cheaper to manufacture - it's gets less critical. But that's another discussion in itself... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 763107)

This thread is really still going? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 763107)

This thread is really still going? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 763331)

I, for one, have not yet learned the various nuances of the 5.0 vs. the Z. I will keep reading until two or more of the following happen:

I learn what a live axel is, and what do I feed it to keep it that way? Ford has spent too much time doing that already. Let it die and replace it with IRS. It does well, but it could be better. A half-way decent IRS would be as good as this well-tuned live axle. A GOOD IRS would trump it on the street. On the track, the only advantage IRS has is negative camber. On the streets where bumps and little irregularities exist, IRS owns SRA.
I learn if it is true that a 5.0 traveling at the legal speed limit on a gentle curve will crash into the guard rail. This all depends on whether or not the guard rail is going perpendicular or parallel to the road.
I determine which car is faster in reverse (unmodded of course) The 370Z because it has more weight over the rear tires, proprotionately.
I become deeply familiar with the seats of each car, to the point where I can spout off statistics about bolstering, comfort, and head rest positioning The mustang is pretty good, the Z will hold you tight and poke you from behind. In this way the Z belongs on the set of Deliverance moreso than the Mustang, contrary to initial perception/steriotype.
I am convinced to buy a Mustang (although the magazine article has ordered my to buy a 4-door consumer grade mercedes at my age)
Fearless Leader AK is convinced to buy a Mustang, renaming the forum "theformerly370zdotcomnowthesuperiorMustang5point0 .com" :hello:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 762802)

Why a TT? Why a small engine? The Z06 has more power than the GT-R, and gets better mileage. All without the complexity or heat of a turbo-system. It's just one less thing to break, and based on posts in this forum, and every other automotive forum, less things to break are a GOOD THING considering modern dealership's and their propensity to wiggle out of warranties.

I think people get caught up in the CDI factor rather than the "what works" factor a bit much at times. The GM solution is a cam-in-block design, yet it's very light, makes more power than anything else in its class, and gets 24mpg on the highway and 16 in the city.EPA ratings. Actual owners report 2-3mpg more.

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 763331)

I, for one, have not yet learned the various nuances of the 5.0 vs. the Z. I will keep reading until two or more of the following happen:

I learn what a live axel is, and what do I feed it to keep it that way?
I learn if it is true that a 5.0 traveling at the legal speed limit on a gentle curve will crash into the guard rail.
I determine which car is faster in reverse (unmodded of course)
I become deeply familiar with the seats of each car, to the point where I can spout off statistics about bolstering, comfort, and head rest positioning
I am convinced to buy a Mustang (although the magazine article has ordered my to buy a 4-door consumer grade mercedes at my age)
Fearless Leader AK is convinced to buy a Mustang, renaming the forum "theformerly370zdotcomnowthesuperiorMustang5point0 .com" :hello:

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 763383)

For the better mpg and a few pounds lighter.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 763473)

I thought we covered the fact that Nissan's turbo V6 weighs 150# more than GM's LS7, makes less power, and the GT-R gets the same mileage around town and 3mpg less on the highway, compared to the Z06.

It also has the complexity, cost, and heat-issues inherent to a turbo setup.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 763473)

I thought we covered the fact that Nissan's turbo V6 weighs 150# more than GM's LS7, makes less power, and the GT-R gets the same mileage around town and 3mpg less on the highway, compared to the Z06.

It also has the complexity, cost, and heat-issues inherent to a turbo setup.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 763473)

I thought we covered the fact that Nissan's turbo V6 weighs 150# more than GM's LS7, makes less power, and the GT-R gets the same mileage around town and 3mpg less on the highway, compared to the Z06.

It also has the complexity, cost, and heat-issues inherent to a turbo setup.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 763726)

He wasn't talking about the weight of the car, he was talking about the weight of the engines themselves. The GT-R's TTV6 is heavier than the LS7.

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 763715)

Thats a differernt car that has a back seat and more stable seats then the vette. Im sure you take that V8 vette and put in the V6 TT and its lighter than before. You have to look at each cars weight from what it was before not what another car is that doesnt have a back seat. And even though the GTR has less HP its faster.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 763793)

Faster? I was unaware of a bone-stock GT-R having run 10.X's@128+ in the 1/4.

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 763798)

Really, who ran a bone stock Z06 in the 10s?

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 763800)

10-second stock C6 Corvette Z06 on run flats — Autoblog ;)

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 763806)

One run every in what was describe as near perfect conditions.
Congrats on the run, and kudos but it is still not a 10 second car in my mind.

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 763808)

But people have run consistently in the high-10's with just drag radials or slicks. That's a factory 10-sec car to me. :tiphat:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 763817)

No it is not, you modified a part of the car.
Drive the car off the lot and down to your local drag strip and run it, no changes, no tune, nothing. The Vette is a very fast production car and I am not denying it, but the current Z06 is not a 10 second car off the lot.

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 763800)

10-second stock C6 Corvette Z06 on run flats — Autoblog ;)

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 763832)