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I would agree that manual transmissions are dying but a news article not to long ago about how younger divers are now opting for manual transmission cars lately leads me

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Old 12-01-2013, 12:08 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I would agree that manual transmissions are dying but a news article not to long ago about how younger divers are now opting for manual transmission cars lately leads me to believe otherwise...Ford is actually manufacturing more manuals lately as a result according to the article I read
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I would agree that manual transmissions are dying but a news article not to long ago about how younger divers are now opting for manual transmission cars lately leads me to believe otherwise...Ford is actually manufacturing more manuals lately as a result according to the article I read
Enthusiasts will continue to opt for manuals well into the future. It's not dying quite as quickly as many seem to think.

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Well, I agree that the world doesn't know it's there because Nissan sucks at press releases, and the world doesn't care because manuals are dying off
It's not a big deal in the Vette either. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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So, why do you think Nissan is still the sole company with an SRM manual?
the new vette has rev match I think.
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the new vette has rev match I think.
^^yep, true
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The C7 has that feature as well
Yes and many magazines reviewing it kept referencing the 370Z during thier C7 tests with it on!

Still SRM will stay off cause downshifting is half the fun of manual driving. Only time it comes on is bumper to bumper traffic going in and out of 1st and 2nd.
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It's not a big deal in the Vette either. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.


Part of driving manual... is that its manual. Automatic rev matching is just another electro-gizmo that takes away from doing it yourself.

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Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...
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Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...
For high end cars, sure. There will be demand for manual transmissions in cars like the BRZ/370z/Mustang etc for many years to come.

Electric motors are a long way from displacing gasoline engines.
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the new vette has rev match I think.
you are quoting a post from 2010.
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I was just pondering a bit this morning why SRM (syncro rev-match) never really caught on with the rest of the industry. Many times a new technology is quickly adopted by numerous manufacturers at once. Dual-clutch auto transmissions, collision avoiding cruise control, cooled front seats...but not SRM.

While I love my SRM and use it almost 100% of the time, it's surely not a necessity. But then neither are those other technologies mentioned above. I suppose one could argue that the 6 speed manual is going out of favor rather quickly these days, and investing more money in it is a waste of resources. However, plenty of purists still buy their supercars with manual transmissions. I can easily see some 6MT Audi R8 owner paying an additional $3,500 for a 'shift-matching' option in their Technology Package.

So, why do you think Nissan is still the sole company with an SRM manual?
OP, you said it, " it's surely not a necessity", then why waste money putting it in the car, rather put a dual clutch instead..

also, learn how to master the heel-toe technique, you'll find the SRM is useless and heel-toe is MUCH MORE FUN..!!!
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For high end cars, sure. There will be demand for manual transmissions in cars like the BRZ/370z/Mustang etc for many years to come.

Electric motors are a long way from displacing gasoline engines.
10 years could be construed as "many"

True on the electric -- I predict, about 25 years or so.
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10 years could be construed as "many"

True on the electric -- I predict, about 25 years or so.
My point was that SRM isn't on manuals because there is little demand for SRM, not because the manual is "dead." If it had 10 years left (I'd guess it keeps going beyond that) it would still be well worth implementing a shift-matching technology...provided there was demand for something like that.
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Everything follows F1 technology and, accordingly, the tech available on the very high end exotics -- standard manuals are on their way out, period.

It's final days will be spent as an economy car (or, "price saving") feature, and not a sports car feature.

Moreover, as electric motors become more common, that will kill it for good.

Fewer and fewer higher end cars even have clutch pedals as an option anymore... I give it 10 more years before it's an eco feature only.

Finally, lets not confuse control over what gear you are in vs. the way in which gear changes are actuated...
There will always be a demand for manuals in communities like Jeeps/Mustangs/etc. People enjoy them because they are fun, not because they are sourced from some F1 team.

Electric motors may kill the transmission as a whole, but i doubt for some time. If anything it will be slow coming as they will probably adopt a merged platform like the P1 or 918, where electric motors provide AWD solution, increase mpg, and augments a motor.

Until they resolve charging times and capacity issues the gas motor wont go away due to range anxiety.
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I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective.
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I think Nissan should of out-sourced their manual trans. from Honda, you never hear about in quality problems with their manual trans. & everybody talks about how smooth they shift. My 97 T-56 6speed in my WS6 T/A shifts a whole lot better " no issues" & that was one of the borg & warner designs from the early 90s. The 370Z trans. design is 12 years newer but less effective.
How is it less effective? It holds power just fine. Every really strong transmission I've ever driven has been clunky. Plus, your Honda transmissions are cable shifters. The Z is directly mounted.
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